<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Uncharted Territories]]></title><description><![CDATA[Understand the world of today to prepare for the world of tomorrow: AI, tech, longevity, fertility, the future of democracy, energy, education, and more]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4QUy!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc92decb6-7c5c-4053-bc05-651e5548e9b3_1280x1280.png</url><title>Uncharted Territories</title><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:58:10 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[unchartedterritories@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[unchartedterritories@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[unchartedterritories@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[unchartedterritories@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Most Intelligence Is Search]]></title><description><![CDATA[How can you win when LLMs are better than you?]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/most-intelligence-is-search</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/most-intelligence-is-search</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 12:01:30 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Furw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F921f3481-4963-4ae6-a689-43e8d85fc9ea_1024x683.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over thousands of years, tens of billions of people have spent their entire lives thinking, reasoning, creating, dreaming, solving problems. How many of our thoughts have been <em>completely new? </em>Very few.</p><p>When your thoughts have been original, most of the time it was because you applied existing solutions to new situations: You took the arguments and facts &#8230;</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Design for Uncharted Territories ]]></title><description><![CDATA[Full time or for the shop, including a $1000 Challenge]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/design-for-uncharted-territories</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/design-for-uncharted-territories</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2026 07:42:03 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncharted Territories is growing. I want to make it better in all dimensions, and a key one is visuals and user experience. I obsess about it, but I&#8217;m not a designer, so I&#8217;m looking for the best ones to make Uncharted Territories products both incredibly usable and stunningly inspiring. If you are a designer or know one, I want to share two ways in which you can help do that: Work with us full time, or make designs for our merchandise shop.</p><h1>1. Design for Our Merchandise Shop</h1><p>You might not want to work for us full time, or you&#8217;re more on the graphic side of design? Perfect! We&#8217;re building a shop for Uncharted Territories merchandise, and we want to fill it with some of the best items you can find anywhere. That means we need designs, and the best ones will probably come from you, the people who know Uncharted Territories the best. </p><p>Every week, I spend hours reworking graphs and generating compelling images to illustrate the ideas I&#8217;m writing about.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png" width="1200" height="621" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:828,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qB8k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5211f6fa-acd9-4975-b4e8-a3e81f27e28d_1600x828.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Humans have absorbed visual information for millions of years, but we&#8217;ve been reading for just a few thousand. We&#8217;re much better at understanding through visuals than words. The right visual can make a complex idea instantly clear. My challenge each week is to take real information and make it stimulating, exciting, and accessible.</p><p>Today, I pass that challenge on to you. I&#8217;d love for you to take an idea from Uncharted Territories and turn it into a poster. Something that will reframe how people understand how the world works, that is at the same time so beautiful and inspiring that people will want to hang it on their wall.</p><p>For that, you have two ways to participate: a competition, or an application.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.co/design-competition-2026&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Submit your design or application&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.co/design-competition-2026"><span>Submit your design or application</span></a></p><h2>1.1. Poster Design Competition</h2><p>The brief is simple: Design a poster based on Uncharted Territories that would be a talking piece in any room.</p><p>I&#8217;m offering a $1,000 grand prize to the image that best conveys a map, chart, idea, or full article in an interesting and visually stunning way. The best examples will tell a story that will have visitors staring at it and asking where it&#8217;s from.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png" width="1536" height="1024" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1024,&quot;width&quot;:1536,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CX-W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a078a59-23cd-4690-9f81-75d782a681b5_1536x1024.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Please save me! This is sh*t! This horrendous design was generated by ChatGPT based on my <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/mountains">most popular Substack article</a>. Is this really the best we can do? NO! This should be amazing and gorgeous. You&#8217;re welcome to use AI if that works for you</em></figcaption></figure></div><p><strong>Specs</strong></p><ul><li><p>$1,000 prize, open to everyone worldwide</p></li><li><p>Submit as many entries as you like</p></li><li><p>Choose any UT article, map, or idea as your subject</p></li><li><p>A2 / 18&#215;24", submit a screen-resolution preview: JPG or PNG, max 10 MB</p></li><li><p>All entries will be displayed publicly, unless you opt out</p></li><li><p>I will select the winner, heavily based on community opinion</p></li><li><p>Deadline: 22 July 2026, winner announced 5 August</p></li></ul><p>Submit your best design via the Competition landing page. The winning entry will receive $1,000 cash, with their poster becoming the flagship product in a new Uncharted Territories shop.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.co/design-competition-2026&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Submit your design&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.co/design-competition-2026"><span>Submit your design</span></a></p><p>Public commentary will be open for the length of the competition and for two weeks beyond. I&#8217;ll highlight a few of the most immediately impressive pieces in the newsletter and on socials as the competition runs, with credit given to their creators.</p><p>Viewers can like and comment on their favorites but the final say will be mine. I want to know which designs resonate but I don&#8217;t want it to be a popularity contest.</p><p>The competition isn&#8217;t only for current readers. If you know any designers who you think would be good at this kind of visual storytelling, please forward them this article or the <a href="https://unchartedterritories.co/design-competition-2026">Competition homepage</a>. All IP stays with the designer for artworks I don&#8217;t end up using.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png" width="1600" height="874" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:874,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6t87!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffd819c5d-ee71-4949-b4fb-7291192bf0cb_1600x874.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>What if I love more than one design?</h3><p>Then I&#8217;ll pay for the others too!</p><p>I&#8217;m not saying <em>I&#8217;ll only pay $1,000 for one poster</em>. I&#8217;m saying I&#8217;ll pay <em><strong>at least</strong></em> $1,000 for one poster. But if we have lots of amazing posters, and we&#8217;d like to put them all on the site, I&#8217;ll happily pay for more posters!</p><h2>1.2. Share Your Portfolio, Concepts, or Ideas</h2><p>Not everybody can spend time working on a poster without a guaranteed payment. I get it. So beyond the competition, I&#8217;d like to commission designs for use in Uncharted Territories posters and merchandising.</p><p>Simply head to the competition page, scroll to the Direct Applications section, and tell me why you think we should work together: Maybe that means your portfolio and your ideas for what you&#8217;d like to do for Uncharted Territories, maybe something else.</p><p>I&#8217;m really excited to see what you come up with!</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.co/design-competition-2026&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Submit your design or application&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://unchartedterritories.co/design-competition-2026"><span>Submit your design or application</span></a></p><h1>2. Work with Us</h1><p>I&#8217;m building a small team of developers: With AI, I think just three are enough to build incredible tools. I&#8217;ve already hired our first vibe-coder / engineer, and we&#8217;re building so fast you&#8217;re soon going to see amazing products. But neither of us are designers, so we&#8217;re looking for our second vibe-coder&#8212;a person who can complement our skillsets, so I&#8217;d like this person to come from the world of design.</p><p>So if you:</p><ul><li><p>Have experience as a UX/UI designer </p></li><li><p>Have great aesthetic taste and a strong sense of what&#8217;s usable</p></li><li><p>Love the Uncharted Territories asesthetic, but want to make it 10x better</p></li><li><p>Have jumped into the world of AI and have been vibe-coding your own apps</p></li></ul><p>Then go to this page and join the expedition!</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.co/hiring&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Enlist&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://unchartedterritories.co/hiring"><span>Enlist</span></a></p><p><em>Know somebody who could fit the description? Send them this page!</em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Islamismophobia]]></title><description><![CDATA[Support Islam, Oppose Islamists]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/islamismophobia</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/islamismophobia</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 13:03:03 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This timely article is probably the hardest, most important one I&#8217;ve written this year&#8212;maybe in years. I might not get it all right, so I look forward to your comments and corrections. If you believe it can help heal society, please share it.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/islamismophobia?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/islamismophobia?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Muslims are violent and try to impose their beliefs on others! We should send them all back to their countries!&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;That&#8217;s just islamophobia! You&#8217;re a bigot!&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Both of these are not just wrong: They&#8217;re blurring concepts of freedom, equality, immigration, race, and politics at such a fundamental level that they&#8217;re threatening the foundations of our society. Today, we&#8217;re going to try to make sense of it all. By the time you&#8217;re done, you should be able to see a conflict related to Islam in the West on the TV, on social media, or on the street, and have a better sense of what we should do about it and why.</p><p>At the heart of this is the mixing of two concepts: <em>Islam</em> and <em>Islamism</em>.</p><h1>Islam vs Islamism</h1><p><em>Islam</em> is a <strong>religion</strong> followed by 2 billion people in the world, ~25% of the population. It is a <em>personal belief</em>, protected by the <a href="https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights">Universal Declaration of Human Rights</a>. Like in most religions, most adherents of Islam are kind, welcoming, peaceful, and productive. You can witness it yourself traveling to places like Turkey, the UAE, Malaysia, and Indonesia, where this was certainly my experience.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png" width="1080" height="624" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:624,&quot;width&quot;:1080,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUUx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc068d4d1-eee4-4c23-a23c-41054ff17731_1080x624.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Abu Dhabi, in the UAE, is not only impressive visually. It also hosts the <a href="https://www.abrahamicfamilyhouse.ae/?lang=en">Abrahamic Family House</a>, with a mosque, church, and synagogue side by side. Freedom of religion is enshrined in the constitution.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Islam has over 1,300 years of history, and has produced some of the most distinguishable aesthetics.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png" width="522" height="984.9284064665127" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1634,&quot;width&quot;:866,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:522,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ctn6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d36e28-b4ea-474b-945f-7f7d3d651604_866x1634.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Top and middle: interior tilework and dome of the Sheikh Lotfollah Mosque in Isfahan, Iran. Bottom: interior of the Mosque-Cathedra, of C&#243;rdoba, Spain.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Its position in between the biggest world civilizations allowed it to preserve knowledge from older empires, increase the exchange of knowledge across civilizations, and produce fundamental new contributions.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png" width="1600" height="892" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:892,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vr0n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95261344-2f5f-455e-8e8e-077a14f30a87_1600x892.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The world in 1000 AD. Muslims, in green, are between Europe on one side and China and India on the other, which meant they controlled all commerce and transit between them. <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/8c7yy5/i_made_a_map_of_the_old_world_in_the_year_1000/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>But within Islam, there&#8217;s a problem of <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism">Islamism</a></em>: a <strong>political movement </strong>that says Islam should influence politics because it&#8217;s superior to liberal democracy, capitalism, and any other alternative. Islamists want Sharia (the law derived from Islam<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>) above civil law, they want it to apply to non-Muslims, they seek pan-Islamic political unity, and the creation of Islamic states. So by nature, it&#8217;s not <em>individual</em> and <em>persuasive</em>, but <em>social and coercive</em> in its attempts to spread. That&#8217;s why the European Court of Human Rights <a href="https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/annual_report_2003_eng">declared</a> Sharia incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy. It&#8217;s why Turkey <a href="https://www.iilj.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Refah-Partisi-v.-Turkey.pdf">banned</a> the leading political party in the late 1990s: Its Islamism went against democracy and the country&#8217;s secular constitution.</p><p>There is a blurry line between Islam and Islamism. It&#8217;s crucial to understand it though, so let&#8217;s take specific examples.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png" width="1200" height="1234.6153846153845" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/cc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1498,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:939930,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/i/201269815?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zZAl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc2516ac-350a-4368-b7d4-f8efcc48add8_1856x1910.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I hope the difference is clear: Islam whispers to the soul; Islamism shouts on the street. Islam wants believers to get on their knees, Islamism wants you to get on yours. Islam breeds pilgrims, Islamism conquerors. Islam saves souls, Islamism drafts laws. Islam wants the freedom to believe, Islamism wants obedience.</p><p>Islam is a personal religion, a set of personal beliefs. Moderate Muslims respect that others don&#8217;t share the same beliefs. This is protected by the Universal Human Rights. Islamism is a political movement that tries to impose its views on others. This is against Universal Human Rights.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Islam is protected by Universal Human Rights, Islamism is against them. </em></p></div><p>If you want a test to differentiate between Islam and Islamism, here are seven questions you can ask:</p><ol><li><p>Is it voluntary or coerced? If it&#8217;s voluntary, it&#8217;s <strong>consistent</strong><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> with Islam. If it&#8217;s coerced, it&#8217;s <strong>consistent</strong> with Islamism.</p></li><li><p>Is it just for the believer (consistent with Islam), or also for others (consistent with Islamism)?</p></li><li><p>Is civil law supreme (Islam), or is Sharia (Islamism)?</p></li><li><p>Are all citizens equal (Islam), or do Muslims prevail (Islamism)?</p></li><li><p>Is it persuasion (Islam) or intimidation (Islamism)?</p></li><li><p>Does it make room for dissenters inside the community (Islam) or not (Islamism)?</p></li><li><p>Is the same standard applied to all religions (Islam), or does Islam have privileges (Islamism)?</p></li></ol><p>Now, these are extremes. As we saw <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslim-immigrants-think-in">in this article</a>, in the West:</p><ul><li><p>About 20 &#8211; 50% of Muslims are moderate Muslims</p></li><li><p>About 15-20% are Islamists</p></li><li><p>In between, about 10-50% are Conservative Muslims. They might, for example, think that the precepts of Islam should apply to all, but they might use persuasion instead of coercion to achieve this goal.</p></li></ul><p>If we were to draw this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p3PN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf695dc3-42ac-4f79-8bef-1d97033d407b_1252x1302.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p3PN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf695dc3-42ac-4f79-8bef-1d97033d407b_1252x1302.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p3PN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf695dc3-42ac-4f79-8bef-1d97033d407b_1252x1302.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p3PN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf695dc3-42ac-4f79-8bef-1d97033d407b_1252x1302.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p3PN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf695dc3-42ac-4f79-8bef-1d97033d407b_1252x1302.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The best way to understand the difference between each extreme is to dive into each separately.</p><h1>The Moderate Muslims</h1><p>They believe in Islam, and they also tend to think that:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p><ul><li><p>The Quran is not the literal word of God</p></li><li><p>There are many ways to interpret Islam</p></li><li><p>Democracy is above Islam, and they&#8217;re compatible</p></li><li><p>Men and women are equal</p></li><li><p>Homosexuality should be accepted in society</p></li><li><p>Jews don&#8217;t have too much power, they can be trusted</p></li><li><p>Israel has a right to exist</p></li><li><p>School should be secular and mixed genders</p></li><li><p>It should be legal to show a picture of Muhammad and burn the Quran</p></li><li><p>Halal food is not necessary everywhere</p></li></ul><p>If you&#8217;re a Westerner and you know Muslims, odds are higher that they belong to this group. That&#8217;s been my experience: I&#8217;ve had friends and colleagues from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, and probably more that I can&#8217;t remember, and every single one of them was kind, fun, tolerant, and hard-working.</p><p>These Muslims know and understand the threat posed by Islamism. They think:</p><ul><li><p>Islamism is a problem</p></li><li><p>Political violence is never acceptable</p></li><li><p>Jihad in general, and organizations like ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Muslim Brotherhood are bad</p></li></ul><p>Moderate Muslims would want nothing more than the elimination of Islamism.</p><p>This goes to the highest levels of several Muslim countries. For example, <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/world/saudi-arabia-designates-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group-idUSBREA260SM/">Saudi Arabia</a>, <a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/jordan-outlaws-muslim-brotherhood-group-confiscates-its-assets-offices-2025-04-23/">Jordan</a>, <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/world/egypt-designates-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorist-group-idUSBRE9BO08H/">Egypt</a>,<strong> </strong>the <a href="https://www.wam.ae/en/article/hsz97ivy-uae-cabinet-approves-list-designated-terrorist">UAE</a>, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Libya have all outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood, in most cases designated it a terrorist organization.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> <a href="https://x.com/sultanwho/status/2030430620841861260?s=20">Many</a> <a href="https://x.com/lalshareef/status/1962094097146978626?s=20">prolific</a> <a href="https://x.com/MohammedAlRahbi/status/1962856919099691080?s=20">Arab</a> <a href="https://x.com/Sajwani/status/1962087011382346021">commentators</a> <a href="https://x.com/_A_khalifa/status/2030179201454854275">agree</a>.</p><p>Here is Mohamed Bin Salman, ruler of Saudi Arabia, about Islamism:</p><div id="youtube2-fGDxffq6TRM" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;fGDxffq6TRM&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/fGDxffq6TRM?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><blockquote><p><em>We want to go back to what we were, the moderate Islam that is open to the world, open to all the religions. We want to live a normal life. We represent the moderate teachings of Islam and the right is on our side. We will eradicate the rest of extremism very soon.</em></p></blockquote><p>Here is the <a href="https://x.com/_a_khalifa/status/2042275019276120185">UAE&#8217;s Foreign Minister in 2017</a>, talking about Islamism in Europe (<em>a bunch of additional quotes follow. If you get the gist, you can move on):</em></p><blockquote><p><em>There will come one day when we&#8217;ll see far more radical extremists, and terrorists, coming from Europe, because of lack of decision-making, trying to be politically correct, or assuming that they know the Middle East, or they know Islam far better than we do. That&#8217;s pure ignorance.</em></p></blockquote><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef">Mosab Hassan Yousef</a>, son of a Hamas founder, was so repelled by the organization that he defected to Israel, and later to the US, and has been criticizing it ever since. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan have banned the organization.</p><p><a href="https://x.com/isaacrrr7/status/2058212573749637482">Here</a> is the a Lebanese Shia Muslim preacher:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a></p><blockquote><p><em>We need to review Islam from beginning to end. The human being no longer has value in this religion. You [Islamists] have distorted the true image of Islam. You have made us feel that Islam is only gunpowder, rockets, killing, and crime. There is the silence of one and a half billion Muslims across the globe. Silent about all this destruction. Silent about the massacres. Silent about killing in the name of God. Every crime committed is being accompanied by the slogan &#8220;Allahu akbar.&#8221; We can no longer leave Islam as a playground for these so-called Islamists, these criminals, these terrorists.</em></p><p><em>The whole world has come to hate Islam and Muslims. Campaigns of hatred against Muslims and Islam are rising because of the behavior of Muslims, and because of the behavior of Islamic leaders who remain silent about crimes and justify them. How is the far-right Christian movement rising in Europe? Because it has become afraid of you as a Muslim. What are you offering to break this stereotype? What are you offering so you can say to him: &#8220;No, that isn&#8217;t true&#8221;?</em></p><p><em>All our calls are calls to violence. All our calls are calls to killing. All our calls are calls to exclusion and eradication. I do not feel peace. I want to feel peace. There has to be a corrective movement in the Islamic world. I want the Islam that came and opened this message with: &#8220;In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/_a_khalifa/status/2042072779642826940">Commentator</a> <a href="https://x.com/_A_khalifa">Ahmed Khalifa</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>We Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula and the Gulf the original heart of Islam don&#8217;t tolerate extremists in our countries. Our societies are genuinely tolerant. We welcome people from all backgrounds whether they&#8217;re different in race or religion.</em></p><p><em>The real hardliners and extremists run away from our region and head straight to Europe, America, Japan, &amp; places like that. They take advantage of your freedom of speech in the worst way possible and try to tear down your customs, your culture, &amp; your way of life. Sadly, you keep giving them that space &amp; then later you blame Islam for the mess.</em></p></blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/AQ_Almenhali/status/2057874254654476610">Here</a> is the Emirati commentator <a href="https://x.com/AQ_Almenhali">AQ Almenhali</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>A friend of mine travelled to the West recently and went to pray at a mosque there. He told me the </em>[sermon]<em> started normal, then slowly became political and started talking about jihad. He literally said: &#8220;I can see how people here get radicalized hearing this stuff.&#8221; He got up and left halfway through.</em></p><p><em>This is exactly why the UAE and other GCC countries regulate mosques through Ministries of Awqaf. It&#8217;s not about &#8220;controlling religion&#8221;, it&#8217;s about stopping religious spaces from turning into political recruitment centers.</em></p><p><em>The Muslim Brotherhood mastered this years ago: mix religion with politics, build grievance narratives, then slowly create ideological loyalty.</em></p><p><em>The West keeps viewing this as &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221;. Gulf countries view it as national security.</em></p></blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/amjadt25/status/1961752609079078944">And</a> <a href="https://x.com/amjadt25">Amjad Taha</a>, Emirati expert in Middle East politics:</p><blockquote><p><em>Why does Britain today have more extremists than the Middle East, and more rapists rivaling the Islamists of Port Sudan in Africa and Pakistan? And why does the UK system protect Islamist jihadist thugs and rapists instead of protecting its own people? We fear visiting London, it is no longer safe. Your people deserve better. Your streets are crowded with 300,000 homeless in London alone, yet while poverty grows, the Muslim Brotherhood, banned in the UAE and Saudi Arabia, is free to run your streets.</em></p></blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/afalkhatib/status/1893369894873280628">Here</a> is the Gazan Arab Muslim <a href="https://x.com/afalkhatib">Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>The "pro-Palestine&#8221; movement refused to acknowledge the criminality of hostage-taking &amp; killing innocent Israeli civilians, condemn Hamas&#8217;s actions including against Gazans, call for the terror group to step down, or engage in pragmatic activism and targeted demands for specific outcomes that actually help Palestinians </em>[... It]<em> will forever be looked at as the pinnacle of embarrassment, failure, and wasted opportunities&#8212;all while the people of Gaza suffer horrendously.</em></p></blockquote><p>Maliq, <a href="https://x.com/MasterMaliq/status/2053306685062529452?s=20">another Muslim commentator</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>Truth be told: The #1 cause of Islamophobia isn't outsiders. It's us Muslims. Our resistance to reform, silence on extremism, and victim mentality. If we fix ourselves, the fear will fade.</em></p></blockquote><p>And:</p><blockquote><p><em>One thing I absolutely hate about us Muslims is our dishonesty. ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram, they name their groups "Jihad" and "Sunnah", wave the Quran, scream "Allahu Akbar" during attacks, force hijabs on captives, and forcibly convert people at gunpoint. Yet we still rush to say "They're not real Muslims!" Bro, we can say they don't represent Islam. That's fair debate. But pretending they have zero connection to the faith while they quote our books and use our slogans? That's pure denial. We can't keep lying to ourselves and the world forever. The truth isn't Islamophobia. It's honesty.</em></p></blockquote><p>UAE commentator <a href="https://x.com/971AlSaadi">Majed</a>, <a href="https://x.com/971alsaadi/status/1962186276117057879">on</a> the rapes of <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-audit-on-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse/national-audit-on-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse-accessible">several thousands girls for decades in the UK</a>, in what&#8217;s called the Grooming Gangs scandal, of which allegedly<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> a majority of perpetrators were Pakistani men and a majority of victims White British:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a></p><blockquote><p><em>To imprison a 13-year-old girl, drug her, and abuse her for profit is pure evil. Predators like this do not deserve the name of men. They are monsters who prey on the innocent. What&#8217;s even more shocking is the so-called &#8220;justice&#8221; in the UK. Six years? Nine years? A child&#8217;s life has been shattered forever, yet these criminals will walk free while their victim is still young. If this happened in our region, the punishment would have been swift and merciless.</em></p></blockquote><p>Another take:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DAiy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9e34e91-c70e-4477-8154-19f3bc96b408_1178x716.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DAiy!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9e34e91-c70e-4477-8154-19f3bc96b408_1178x716.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DAiy!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9e34e91-c70e-4477-8154-19f3bc96b408_1178x716.png 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><a href="https://x.com/JustLuai/status/1721105242081697835">Another take</a>.</p><p>I hope this gives you a good grasp here: There are <em>many</em> moderate Muslims&#8212;20% to 50% of Muslims in the West, as I mentioned.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a></p><p>And many moderate Muslims very publicly decry the radical Islam <em>speech</em> and <em>behaviors </em>that have been festering, especially in Western countries. How is this happening? Who are these Islamists? What do they say?</p><h1>The Islamists</h1><p>In the <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslim-immigrants-think-in">previous article</a>, we saw that about 15% of Muslim immigrants in Europe are Islamists.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a> What does that mean?</p><h2>Islamist Speech</h2><p>The best way to understand Islamism is through the eyes of the imams who preach it.</p><h3>The Imams</h3><p>Here&#8217;s a cut of some imams in the US</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;f48a5d46-f585-4083-8d44-b10c304edc2e&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p><em><a href="https://x.com/shariakill/status/2061337594248548599">Source</a></em></p><p>These are examples of Islamic viewpoints that are consistent with human rights:</p><blockquote><p><em>The goal is to make sure Islam is well established in society. To integrate Islam in the USA.</em></p><p><em>You dedicate yourself to establish justice in the world. That&#8217;s what Allah created you for.</em></p><p><em>Allah mentions he has sent the prophets to establish justice on Earth.</em></p><p><em>Allah teaches us that there is one purpose: Establishing justice on Earth.</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a></p></blockquote><p>I haven&#8217;t sampled mosques, but I assume this type of message to be the majority. The following are Islamist though, inconsistent with human rights:</p><blockquote><p><em>We&#8217;re supposed to bring Islam to regulate society according to divine law and purpose.</em></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><em>Allah made it obligatory upon the Muslims to change society.<br>You need to completely replace the system with an Islamic system.<br>When we say America will be an Islamic country some day, that&#8217;s our goal.<br>Islam has a second round, where Islam will rule the world again.</em></p></blockquote><p>Here are some other examples of imams sharing Islamist positions in the West:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/2062201366353772812">California</a>: &#8220;<em>Islam will enter every household in the US.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/FarmGirlCarrie/status/2056038376588087304?s=20">California</a> (San Diego): <em>&#8220;America will be a Muslim country, Russia will be a Muslim country. We have to be part of that change. Never apologize, never compromise.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p>Again <a href="https://x.com/Shariakill/status/2056592404145230196?s=20">San Diego</a>: <em>&#8220;We must understand Islam as a comprehensive way of life, which includes political influence. In Medina, at the beginning, Muslims were a minority. For some it took weeks, months, years to accept Islam, but Muhammad taught us how to build that power.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/realmaalouf/status/2046379102580412685">Texas</a>: <em>&#8220;Mamdani as the mayor of New York is a victory for the Ummah, and if you don&#8217;t understand this, you don&#8217;t understand the role of civilizational strength. Everyone has a role to play. (Muslim) politicians have a role to play. </em>[...] <em>Across the Western world, Muslims are rising to the point it&#8217;s terrifying them.</em> <em>Sweden, Oslo, 10% Muslim.</em> <em>Vienna is 10% Muslim, the Ottomans Turks tried for 200 years and couldn&#8217;t do it.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/Shariakill/status/2062769659619819864">Colorado</a>: &#8220;<em>We&#8217;re still fighting Jihad, just not with swords.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/shariakill/status/2061684484387328395">Detroit</a>: &#8220;<em>For Muslims, it&#8217;s an obligation to prepare against your enemies. The first obstacle is the Wordly life: When you are too attached to it, you&#8217;re not prepared to sacrifice. They say &#8216;</em>You&#8217;re too few, just 1%, you can&#8217;t do anything, overpower the military.&#8217;<em> But how many times have small groups of dedicated believers overcome groups far more powerful than them?&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/koshercockney/status/2056867864036921468?s=20">UK</a>: <em>&#8220;The first blow to the US was Afghanistan. Now we can give our final blow to America. It&#8217;s the opportunity to project Islam as an alternative world order. Now is the time to put the final nail in the coffin of Western liberalism.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1780908725672235062?s=20">UK</a>: <em>"No integration, no multiculturalism, no diversity, no tolerance. You have democracy, we have Sharia."</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/Shariakill/status/2062027494987878747?s=20">England, UK</a>: <em>&#8220;We (Muslims) have to be Allah&#8217;s solution to England.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1719073693630931083">Northampton</a> mosque (UK):<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a> <em>&#8220;Victory to Islam. Destroy the enemies. Bless the Mujahideen </em>(holy warriors). <em>Heal from the usurping Jews and every enemy of Allah. Count them and kill them, leave none of them alive. Make them war booty for the Muslims.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/daveatherton/status/1756416828262211672?s=20">Dublin</a> (Ireland): <em>&#8220;Many of the major problems in the Western world today are because women do not know the status of men in Islam. Since we live in the Western world, women prefer to think that men are equal to them. In Islam, the man is the master of the woman, and the woman obeys the man. The man is the master of the woman. A woman should not raise her voice against her husband. A woman should not leave her house without her husband&#8217;s permission.</em></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/2063644818144637216">Germany</a>:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-13" href="#footnote-13" target="_self">13</a> <em>&#8220;Is it permissible to stone someone for adultery? Yes. Obviously, here in Germany you cannot stone someone for adultery. But if there were an Islamic state, then it would be the duty of its ruler to enforce these rulings of the Quran."</em></p></li></ul><p>More <a href="https://x.com/AzatAlsalim/status/1962801807299600613?s=20">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/yossibenyakar/status/2055550286911926470">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1962656558497558910?s=20">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/2051030238738477552?s=20">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/niohberg/status/2049172986800861245">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/AntSpeaks/status/2034283118459294080?s=20">here</a>,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-14" href="#footnote-14" target="_self">14</a> <a href="https://x.com/Ofer_binshtok/status/1937789537490526564?s=20">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/Ofer_binshtok/status/1726703616172445933?s=20">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/Ofer_binshtok/status/1737839961418997811">here</a>, <a href="https://x.com/Shariakill/status/2062040113249505308">here</a>, and <a href="https://x.com/Edenlife9/status/2043649284000637110?s=20">here</a>.</p><p>Why is this Islamist rhetoric so widespread? Among other things, because it&#8217;s politically pushed in the West by Islamist organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood (MB).</p><h3>The Muslim Brotherhood</h3><p>The <a href="https://trendsgroup.org/fr/publications/?topic=235">UAE</a>, <a href="https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/actualites/dossiers-de-presse/publication-du-rapport-freres-musulmans-et-islamisme-politique-en-france">France</a>, the <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/486932/Muslim_Brotherhood_Review_Main_Findings.pdf">UK</a>, <a href="https://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/documento-de-trabajo/la-hermandad-musulmana-en-espana-activismo-comunitario-politica-y-terrorismo/">Spain</a>, and <a href="https://www.dokumentationsstelle.at/en/publications-in-english">Austria</a> have recently published reports on how it&#8217;s organized and how it pushes Islamism by penetrating all levels of society from the bottom.<a class="footnote-anchor" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Muslim Brotherhood logo with the Arabic word for &#8216;prepare&#8217; in calligraphy below the two crossed swords</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>It avoids using its own name in the West, keeps membership secret, establishes front organizations and umbrella groups.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-16" href="#footnote-16" target="_self">16</a> It builds parallel societal structures like schools, nurseries, or funeral homes. In France, it operates over 60 schools. It trains imams across Europe and organizes activities for children. It promotes political candidates in national and local elections and actively lobbies police.</p><p>It actively isolates Muslims in the West to preserve its ultra-orthodox views. It created an organization<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-17" href="#footnote-17" target="_self">17</a> to issue religious rulings specifically tailored to Muslims living in Europe, which often promote segregation, discourage assimilation, and push a literature of victimhood of Western societies.</p><p>It funds itself with tens of millions of dollars.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-18" href="#footnote-18" target="_self">18</a> Its biggest donor is Qatar.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-19" href="#footnote-19" target="_self">19</a> It also has a network of NGOs that host large-scale fundraising events, concerts, and dinners that attract Muslims far beyond their base, thereby expanding their influence, and gather the Zakat (charity). In the UK, charities have found to be <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/486932/Muslim_Brotherhood_Review_Main_Findings.pdf#:~:text=an%20important%20part%20of%20the%20Hamas%20and%20Brotherhood%20infrastructure">important infrastructure</a> for the MB and the terrorist group Hamas. The MB also engages with politicians to secure public funding.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-20" href="#footnote-20" target="_self">20</a></p><p>The proliferation of Islamist speech in Western countries, enabled by these Islamist organizations, is one<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-21" href="#footnote-21" target="_self">21</a> of the reasons why, in some of these countries, next-generation Muslims are actually <em>more</em> radical and <em>more</em> Islamist than their parents.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SrgR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4813d34b-c418-46cc-a60f-050e508adc64_1600x923.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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This is very direct Islamism in action.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaudhry_Sarwar">Chaudhry Sarwar</a>, former Pakistani politician,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-22" href="#footnote-22" target="_self">22</a> previously UK MP for the Labour party, and father of the current Scottish leader of the Labour Party, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DTsyx4WAOwl/">stated</a>: &#8220;<em>Time will come that there will be a law all over the world that there can be no disrespect to our beloved holy prophet. Any disrespect of the Quran will be inacceptable, intolerable.&#8221;</em> </p><p>Here is Zul Mohammed, a Muslim who ran for Mayor of Carrollton, Texas:</p><blockquote><p><em>No vet has made any sacrifice. I want to make that clear. I do not support the US military. No, I do not support the United States. I look down on both entities.</em></p></blockquote><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;6676516c-e7b1-48d4-aefb-c51571a86ce5&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>These are <em>politicians!</em></p><p>Unsurprisingly, the head of the German domestic intelligence agency has warned that Islamists were deliberately <a href="https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/bild-exklusiv-verfassungsschutz-chef-warnt-vor-unterwanderung-durch-islamisten-6a1fd680aa3fa782d146fea2">trying to influence</a> German parties to change the state and society.</p><h3>Islamism in Everyday Life in the West</h3><p>Obviously, this trickles into education. In Canada, 11 teachers of North African descent were <a href="https://globalnews.ca/news/10824165/quebec-legault-bedford-teachers-suspension/#:~:text=Islamist%20religious%20concepts">suspended</a> for teaching &#8220;Islamist religious concepts&#8221; to elementary school children.</p><p>It bleeds into political rallies, like this one in <a href="https://x.com/yhazony/status/1722542355801149867?s=20">NY</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>There is nothing more glorious than a martyr. The Western world is a lie. The members of Congress will be prosecuted, all over the world. Let&#8217;s remind the mainstream media that Goebbels was going to stand trial before he shot himself, and we intend to prosecute every media outlet.</em></p></blockquote><p>And it bleeds into interviews of the public, like <a href="https://x.com/Shariakill/status/1939313923477676281?s=20">this one</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>We&#8217;re not here to take part, we&#8217;re here to take over.</em></p></blockquote><p>Or <a href="https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1985031559838052691">this one</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>We&#8217;re here to take over your country. You can&#8217;t stop us. We&#8217;re here to uphold Sharia Law.</em></p></blockquote><p>Or <a href="https://x.com/MorEdge_Insight/status/2035728947774660967">this one</a>: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;As a Muslim, I don&#8217;t really identify with British values. I&#8217;m Muslim first, second, and last. I&#8217;d like to see Britain governed by the Sharia. I believe it&#8217;s far superior to democracy.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Or <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DVyBxeHk09n/">this one</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>INTERVIEWER:</em> <em>Would you undermine the German constitution if you could?MUSLIM INTERVIEWEE: Absolutely. We are commanded to take over Germany.<br>INTERVIEWER: How do you intend to establish Sharia here and create an Islamic state?<br>MUSLIM INTERVIEWEE: When Muslims are the majority, and if needed, by force.</em></p></blockquote><p>Or <a href="https://x.com/RMXnews/status/2061386647959126245">this example</a>, which I shared in my previous article:</p><blockquote><p>INTERVIEWER: <em>How satisfied are you in Germany?<br>MUSLIM INTERVIEWEE: Zero. Mainz </em>[German city]<em> belongs to us foreigners.<br></em>INTERVIEWER: <em>Would you fight for Germany?<br>MUSLIM INTERVIEWEE: I wouldn&#8217;t do anything for Germany. Just marry a German woman, get a German passport, and I&#8217;m all set. </em>[...] <em>I&#8217;m from Kurdistan. I have no country, They can&#8217;t deport me. </em>[...]<em> Germans out, foreigners in.</em></p></blockquote><p>You can see more examples <a href="https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1962257937847443726?s=20">here</a> and <a href="https://x.com/realmaalouf/status/1962561065595613321">here</a>. You get the picture.</p><p>All of this is speech, and if it remained as such, it would be OK. But it doesn&#8217;t.</p><h2>Islamist Behavior</h2><p>The worst, of course, is terrorism, which we discussed <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">here</a>.</p><h3>Terrorism</h3><p>Over <a href="https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2024/">80%</a> of terrorist attacks in the world are carried out by Islamists&#8212;groups like Islamic State, Al-Shabaab, Hamas, JNIM<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-23" href="#footnote-23" target="_self">23</a>, etc.</p><p>This is also true in the West.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tJEP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F46b3f64d-0c14-40cb-b606-eacb3f443e6c_1600x1122.png" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tJEP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F46b3f64d-0c14-40cb-b606-eacb3f443e6c_1600x1122.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tJEP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F46b3f64d-0c14-40cb-b606-eacb3f443e6c_1600x1122.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tJEP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F46b3f64d-0c14-40cb-b606-eacb3f443e6c_1600x1122.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>We&#8217;re unfortunately used to men killing people while yelling <em>Allahu Akbar</em>, with <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/6a218350-9d88-8387-9d2f-7bcaccaa91f7">several dozens</a> of such attacks in the last 10 years. The last Allahu Akbar attack was one just a few weeks ago <a href="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/05/28/terrorist-knife-attack-wounds-3-at-swiss-train-station-official_6753916_4.html">in Switzerland</a>.</p><h3>Crime</h3><p>Terrorism is unique in its impact, but also in the ease of proving its <em>causality.</em> It&#8217;s very clear when a terrorist attack has been caused by Islamism. It&#8217;s less clear in everyday crime. As a reminder, there is an <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">overrepresentation</a> of Muslims in crime statistics in the West, but is that due to Islamism? Or the age of people? The specific culture in some origin country? Islamism is certainly not at fault in all cases. But in some.</p><p>Last week, an MP in the UK Parliament <a href="https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2061482773433499675?s=20">read</a> testimonies of some of the British girls who were raped by the Grooming Gangs I mentioned earlier&#8212;some of them by <a href="https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/raped-by-700-men-girls-locked-in-dog-cages-uk-mp-rupert-lowe-s-chilling-parliament-speech-reignites-grooming-gangs-scandal-2026-06-02-126663">several hundred men</a>. The testimonies are graphic, so I won&#8217;t repeat them all, but you can watch them here.</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;5b61dfdc-1f7a-4e17-99fd-c4ff826b2431&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>Here are the relevant ones for this article:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Comments were constantly made suggesting that White girls, that Christian girls, were viewed as having fewer morals, or lower values, whereas Muslim girls were described as having dignity and higher moral standards. These comparisons were used to justify the way I was treated, and to further humiliate and control me.&#8221;</em></p><p><em>&#8220;Race did play a part and motivated the selection and demographic of the victims. Throughout my exploitation, the other girls I encountered or who were abused alongside me were almost exclusively White.&#8221;</em></p><p><em>&#8220;Things would escalate around Eid </em>[the festivity at the end of Ramadan]<em> and holidays, parties got bigger, got worse, got more violent.&#8221;</em></p><p><em>&#8220;The main clash that I had with the religion side of it was I grew up as a Christian. I would wear my cross because it was something really special to me. It was just used as a way to break me down. They said: </em>&#8216;Where is your god now? Has your god forsaken you?<em>&#8221;</em></p><p><em>&#8220;It was all of the White girls in every home that I went to. I remember a man that went to the back of a van, and I saw 15, 20 girls locked in dog cages.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Of course, these crimes were most likely not perpetrated <em>to further</em> Islam, but they&#8217;re frequently the result of a mindset in which the Muslim in-group is protected and the out-group attacked, given the most common national heritage of the perpetrators, the fact that sometimes hundreds of them were involved,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-24" href="#footnote-24" target="_self">24</a> the nature of the victims, and the quotes above. The most likely read is that this is downstream of the Islamism we mentioned before: Many of the perpetrators shared an Islamist belief where the law of the land was less important than the protection and advancement of the community.</p><p>This, however, would have been impossible without abetting from the rest of society&#8212;again, because of Islamism</p><h3>The Deliberate Fudging of Islamophobia and Islamismophobia</h3><p>In the <a href="https://www.east-ayrshire.gov.uk/Resources/PDF/I/independent-inquiry-cse-in-rotherham.pdf">Rotherham case</a> (~1,400 girls raped):<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-25" href="#footnote-25" target="_self">25</a></p><blockquote><p><em>Several </em>[council] <em>staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.</em></p><p><em>There was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE.</em></p></blockquote><p>This fear of being called racist is relevant, as this is in fact a consistent accusation from Muslim organizations. Many times, these are valid. Islamophobia is real, and has serious consequences. Muslims in the West <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/6a22b646-f6a0-8387-a579-95b93b110178">have</a> been <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_mosque_shooting#:~:text=six">shot</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Finsbury_Park_van_attack#:~:text=Makram%20Ali">run over</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Wadea_al-Fayoume">stabbed</a> because of it. They have faced discrimination in employment, housing, and schooling, and suffer from insults and harassment. It is right to decry it.</p><p>Other times, however, the criticism is not of islamophobia, but of islam<strong>ism</strong>ophobia. It&#8217;s not against Islam, but against Islamism. Yet many Muslim leaders purposefully fudge these two, to protect Islamism under the umbrella of Islam.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>"<em>Islamophobia</em>" is the password Islamists whisper to walk past the gates.</p></div><p>For example, something stunning happened in Australia last year. A few Muslim nurses boasted that they had killed Israeli patients, and that they would do it again. </p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;be7d1c55-7e63-4d1d-a901-f3226cf019ab&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p><em><a href="https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1889754503412387920/video/1">Source</a></em></p><p>In that situation you&#8217;d expect the moderate Muslims to decry them. Over 50 Muslim organizations or leaders came out to <em><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/17/muslim-groups-sydney-nurses-antisemitism-video-bankstown-hospital-ntwnfb">defend them</a>!</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-26" href="#footnote-26" target="_self">26</a></p><p>Let&#8217;s lay out the problem clearly:</p><ol><li><p>There are some normal Islamic behaviors and some Islamist ones.</p></li><li><p>The Islamic behaviors get improperly criticized (islamophobia). The Islamist behavior gets properly criticized (islamismophobia).</p></li><li><p>Islamist leaders purposefully fudge the two and call both &#8220;islamophobia&#8221;<em>.</em></p></li><li><p>Since Western leaders don&#8217;t know how to differentiate between islamophobia and islamismophobia, and they want to treat people equally (human rights), they start policing each other to eradicate islamophobia. Inadvertently, they also shut down islamismophobia.</p></li><li><p>This opens a path for Islamism to grow.</p></li></ol><p>The key points above are 3 and 4. Let&#8217;s take examples of them. First, how Islamist leaders fudge islamophobia and islamismophobia, like in the case of the Australian nurses.</p><p>An Islamist group <a href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20120919122719/http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/communities/pdf/1170952.pdf">created</a> the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), which the UK government has <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a8076bfe5274a2e8ab504ab/53163_Muslim_Brotherhood_Review_-_PRINT.pdf">said</a> consistently opposed programmes by successive Governments to prevent terrorism. For example, it <a href="https://mcb.org.uk/mcb-says-terrorist-list-is-ill-conceived/">opposed</a> <a href="https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2001-02-28/debates/bf6251aa-2488-49d1-9fde-37349b5bb156/TerroristOrganisations">naming</a> 21 Islamist organizations (including Al Qaeda) as terrorist.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-27" href="#footnote-27" target="_self">27</a> The MCB spent 80% of its charity budget on the Center for Media Monitoring, or CfMM, whose entire goal is to monitor British media to accuse them of islamophobia. This could be a great goal if, indeed, it called out only islamophobia. It doesn&#8217;t.</p><p>The CfMM <a href="https://cfmm.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/CfMM-Annual-Report-2018-2020-digital.pdf">called</a> a report of &#8220;<em>a knife-wielding man yelling Islamic slogans&#8221;</em> islamophobic.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-28" href="#footnote-28" target="_self">28</a> It <a href="https://cfmm.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/CfMM-Annual-Report-2018-2020-digital.pdf">called</a> the reporting on the grooming gangs <em>&#8220;shoddy science underpinning a narrative favoured by the media.&#8221; </em>A <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7ef246ed915d74e33f36c1/HC_576_accessible_-.pdf">coordinated takeover to islamize state schools</a>, proven by the government? According to the CfMM, it was a <a href="https://x.com/MuslimCouncil/status/1491752473194868740">hoax</a>. It <a href="https://cfmm.org.uk/terminology/islamism/">recommends</a> eliminating the terms <em>Islamism</em> <a href="https://cfmm.org.uk/term/islamic-extremism/">and</a> <em>Islamic extremism: </em>If they don&#8217;t exist, you can&#8217;t accuse people of them, and thus any criticism must be islamophobia!</p><p>This would not be a problem if the CfMM was an obscure organization without repercussions. Alas, it has <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20241116121011/https://mcb.org.uk/initiatives/media-monitoring/">engaged</a> with over 1,000 journalists, editors, regulators, and policy makers, <a href="https://mailchi.mp/mcb/april-may-2021-updates">including</a> the BBC<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-29" href="#footnote-29" target="_self">29</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250711224603/https://mcb.org.uk/launch-of-the-centre-for-media-monitoring/ ">the</a> Sun, the Express, the Daily Mail&#8230; It organized <a href="https://mailchi.mp/mcb/monthly-update-july-2021">feedback sessions</a> for the BBC and <a href="https://mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/AGMreport_28.01.21_2.02.pdf">fed</a> into its terminology book. It was <a href="https://cfmm.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/CfMM-Submission-to-Editors-Code-2023.pdf">instrumental</a> in developing the press regulator&#8217;s <a href="https://www.ipso.co.uk/resources/guidance-on-reporting-of-islam/">guidance</a> on the reporting of Islam.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-30" href="#footnote-30" target="_self">30</a> It has <a href="https://mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/MCB-Annual-Report-2021-2022-Web.pdf">trained</a> journalists from The Standard, The Independent, and Scottish TV. It pressured the BBC to withdraw an inconvenient interview clip (the BBC <a href="https://www.arabnews.com/node/1808631/world">caved</a>). It recommends <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZvGbmanPig&amp;t=4749s">flooding</a> newspapers with complaints when they report negatively on Islamism:</p><blockquote><p><em>If they don&#8217;t verify what they are reporting, they are going to get flooded with people emailing them and complaining. And that will discourage them from doing it in the first place, because it costs them, in effect, money, because they have to pay their staff for every hour that they are looking at corrections and looking at complaints.</em></p></blockquote><p>Let&#8217;s move on to another organization. Still in the UK, the National Association of Muslim Police (<a href="https://muslim.police.uk/">NAMP</a>) represents the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Muslim_Police">most</a> Muslim police officers. This should immediately heighten your senses, because it&#8217;s precisely the type of organization where Islam the religion can translate into Islamism the political movement. As such, you should expect them to be extremely thoughtful in separating Islam and Islamism. Yet last year, it published <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20260115084704/https://muslim.police.uk/documents/Confronting%20anti-Muslim%20hatred%20and%20Promoting%20Human%20Rights.pdf">this document</a>, <em>Confronting anti-Muslim hatred and Promoting Human Rights.</em> The entire document tries to claim that Islam is always good, that what bad people do in the name of Islam is therefore not Islam, and so we should completely remove the concept of Islamism. Of course, if Islamism doesn&#8217;t exist, any criticism of Islamism must be&#8230; Islamophobia. Here are some excerpts.</p><blockquote><p><em>Terms such as 'Islamist' blur the distinction between extremism and the peaceful practices observed by the majority of Muslims, perpetuating anti-Muslim hatred and casting unwarranted suspicion over the entire religion.</em></p></blockquote><p>See what they did? They say calling people &#8220;islamist&#8221; is racist! Absolutely not! It&#8217;s the exact opposite! Terms like <em>Islamist</em> <strong>allow</strong> us to separate between extremism and peaceful practices!</p><p>The following passage is also informative:</p><blockquote><p><em>Islamic teachings advocate for peace, compassion, and fairness, principles diametrically opposed to the motivations behind religiously justified violence. Media, policymakers, and society at large must exert concerted efforts to distinguish between the distorted political or violent interpretations of religion and the genuine practices of its followers.</em></p></blockquote><p>Later, it tries to erase the word &#8220;<em>Islamist</em>&#8221;, and replace it with words like &#8220;<em>right-wing terrorist</em>&#8221;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-31" href="#footnote-31" target="_self">31</a>. In other words, it&#8217;s trying to hide the fact that the extremist religious beliefs behind political Islamism cause Islamic terrorism! And then blame these instances on the right! This represents the <em>police</em> speaking!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-32" href="#footnote-32" target="_self">32</a></p><p>You can see the pattern here. First, <em>Islamism is too broad, it doesn&#8217;t represent Islam, let&#8217;s not use the term</em>. Then, call criticism to Islamism <em>islamophobia</em>. Accuse the authors, and train the media in avoiding any criticism altogether.</p><p>What is the result of all this effort? What is the attitude of Western leaders about criticising Islamism? Reporters have <a href="https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/bad-faith-actor/">said</a> that accurate stories were not published for fear of being branded islamophobic, that the CfMM and other activists would be able to use any official definition of &#8220;Islamophobia&#8221; to suppress their reporting, that a newspaper discouraged a journalist from writing about Muslims because the CfMM complained he wrote too many stories about Muslims&#8230;</p><p>This fear of being called racist, xenophobic, or islamophobic<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-33" href="#footnote-33" target="_self">33</a> has enabled what <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/04/grooming-gangs-scandal-cover-up-oldham-telford-rotherham/">The Telegraph</a> reported on the Telford Grooming Gangs:</p><blockquote><p><em>Aware that taxi drivers were offering children rides for sex, in 2006 </em>[the council]<em> suspended licensing enforcement for drivers, allowing high risk drivers to continue practicing, </em>&#8220;borne entirely out of fear of accusations of racism; it was craven&#8221;.</p><p><em>Senior council staff were terrified that the abuse of children &#8220;had the potential to start a &#8216;race riot&#8217;&#8221;. The result was stasis, despite officials acknowledging in at least one case that abuse by Asian men had gone on for &#8220;years and years&#8221;.</em></p><p><em>A senior police officer allegedly said the abuse had been &#8220;going on&#8221; for 30 years, adding &#8220;with it being Asians, we can&#8217;t afford for this to be coming out. Politicians were terrified [of the impact on] community cohesion.</em></p><p><em>As a result of this combination of factors, the council went to great lengths to &#8220;cover up information and silence whistle-blowers&#8221;. In the words of witnesses, &#8220;if you want to keep your job, you keep your head down and your mouth shut&#8221;.</em></p></blockquote><p>The police, the council, and the entire community failed to stop behaviors downstream of Islamism because of their fears to be called islamophobic. Here are other examples of anti-Islamist actions stifled by the fear of being labeled islamophobic:</p><ul><li><p>In the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing">Islamist Manchester Arena bombing</a> that killed 22 people and injured over 1,000, a security guard didn&#8217;t stop the perpetrator before the attack <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230509040214/https://files.manchesterarenainquiry.org.uk/live/uploads/2021/06/17164904/CCS0321126370-002_MAI-Report-Volume-ONE_WebAccessible.pdf">for fear of being branded racist</a>.</p></li><li><p>After a French teacher was beheaded by a Jihadist over the false accusation of a student<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-34" href="#footnote-34" target="_self">34</a>, the response from the state and the media was not supportive enough, and now <a href="https://www.voanews.com/a/france-s-secularism-increasingly-struggling-with-schools-integration/7625155.html">40%</a> of French teachers say they self-censor on sensitive topics.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-review-of-prevents-report-and-government-response/independent-review-of-prevent-accessible">According</a> to the UK government, &#8220;<em>fears of being accused of being racist, anti-Muslim, or culturally insensitive may inhibit Islamist-related referrals&#8221;.</em></p></li><li><p>Channel 4 had a documentary about grooming gangs ready to air in 2004, but <a href="https://theweek.com/crime/the-grooming-gangs-scandal-explained">didn&#8217;t</a> &#8220;<em>over fears that it could lead to race riots&#8221;. </em>Grooming gangs would continue for over a decade.</p></li><li><p>The South Wales police has been told <a href="https://x.com/ClaireCoutinho/status/2063158289119015071">to log</a> every event where a person is accused of islamophobia, therefore leaving a public record against critics of Islam <em>and Islamism</em>. No other religion has anything like that.</p></li><li><p>On New Year&#8217;s Eve of 2015, over 1,000 women <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults">were sexually assaulted</a> in Germany (especially in Cologne) by large groups of North African and Arab appearance. The police originally <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2025.2461354#d1e320">labeled</a> the night as &#8220;<em>Cheerful mood&#8212;celebrations largely peaceful&#8221;.</em> A later report included the word rape, which a minister&#8217;s office allegedly<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-35" href="#footnote-35" target="_self">35</a> <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/german-minister-told-police-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-cologne/">asked to remove</a>. Newspapers had to <a href="https://www.luxtimes.lu/luxembourg/german-broadcaster-sorry-for-slow-reporting-on-mob-assaults/1231032.html">apologize</a> for covering them up</p></li><li><p>An Islamist who killed 14 people in California in 2015 was not reported by neighbors for suspicious activity because she didn&#8217;t want to <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/us/neighbor-to-family-of-san-bernardino-terrorist-couple-purportedly-saw-but-didnt-report-suspicious-activity.amp">profile</a> him.</p></li><li><p>Denmark has <a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/danish-parliament-approves-bill-stop-koran-burnings-2023-12-07/">made it illegal</a> to burn the Quran, to placate Islamists.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-36" href="#footnote-36" target="_self">36</a></p></li></ul><p>So that&#8217;s the mechanism by which Islamists stifle freedom of speech, which then prevents the West from calling out its problems. And that bleeds into day to day coercion.</p><h3>Daily Crime and Coercion</h3><p>This Sikh had to <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/cd09035af7d64dee874eef0205e5b499">close his restaurant</a> because of Pakistani harassment when he said he didn&#8217;t serve halal food:</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;9fa0a839-21dc-4c27-9e53-5a3c4c23ef50&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>This debate ended when a Muslim student stood up to <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/03a05a6479624ec8a4f65ef384561b96">threaten</a> a Jewish student and then repeatedly yells &#8220;Allahu Akbar&#8221;.</p><p></p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;bdad1b68-b16f-47f4-90f1-bbed768906cc&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>This is a Church being desecrated in the UK:</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;7a5ef7aa-f3a1-4c31-a1fa-fd825d8a7a09&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>I&#8217;m reminded of the behavior of pro-Palestinians in New York a few years back:</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;bd52249b-44d4-41a0-849d-bf4f15833d64&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>Apparently<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-37" href="#footnote-37" target="_self">37</a>, <a href="https://x.com/RoisinMichaux/status/2059840760652890208">this video</a> depicts girls in Antwerp, Belgium, being verbally attacked and groped on a bus for not wearing veils, and for showing too much skin.</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;b4b843fe-8872-465a-9629-4ed473758b3a&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>These women were <a href="https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1830235167115432136">harassed</a> on the street because of what they wore:</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;0bf66a91-4333-46b8-bba4-f5e6b8eb76fb&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>The poster, an <a href="https://x.com/AlinejadMasih">Iranian journalist</a>, <a href="https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1830598807005864130">added</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;When I say that Germany has its own &#8220;morality police,&#8221; I am referring to the so-called &#8220;Sharia Police,&#8221; self-appointed enforcers of Sharia law. I have received direct messages from many Iranian women sharing their concerns about morality enforcers in European countries, who are often silenced and labeled Islamophobic, anti-immigrant, or right-wing.</em></p><p><em>Whether we like it or not, these Sharia or morality police known as &#8220;Amr bi al-maruf&#8221;, a collective duty of Muslims to encourage righteous behavior and discourage immorality, exist in many European countries. Often linked to mosques, they impose their version of religious law, targeting women and girls for not wearing the &#8220;proper hijab.&#8221; This mirrors the experiences of women in Iran. In Iran, when Sharia Police violently harass women for not covering their hair, officials often mislead the world by claiming these are just religious groups, not the official police.</em></p><p><em>Sources in the Muslim community in Germany report that these so-called Sharia Police have appeared in cities like Wuppertal and Berlin, harassing women under the guise of promoting hijab and Sharia laws. This issue extends beyond isolated incidents, with moral enforcers emerging in schools and neighborhoods with Muslim majorities.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DNQd8wBtskS/">another woman</a> harassed by this local Islamist policing.</p><p>This Spanish girl had to leave the beach because of sexual <a href="https://x.com/franxuh_/status/2061171474556158232?s=20">harassment</a> by North Africans. She didn&#8217;t want to be racist and sat nearby. She didn&#8217;t report it for the same reason.</p><p>Going to a beach and pointing fireworks at beachgoers while screaming &#8220;Allahu Akbar&#8221; should not be allowed.</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;edf1e878-e078-4b3f-996b-8188b46450b1&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p><em><a href="https://x.com/koshercockney/status/2058857796376887459">Source</a></em></p><p>This man is saying that blasphemy deserves death.</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;93cfb8f5-171e-480b-92b3-a0cdcfeb4ce3&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p><em><a href="https://x.com/koshercockney/status/2058545895944159493">Source</a></em></p><p>This guy harasses <a href="https://x.com/RMXnews/status/2062304906585813358">girls</a> and <a href="https://x.com/RMXnews/status/2061886947467919775">old men</a>, but is not in prison because people don&#8217;t report him, and they don&#8217;t report him because police, the media, or society might call them <em>islamophobic</em>.</p><p>Another example <a href="https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1723369055304691820?s=20">here</a>.</p><p>Just to be clear, all these behaviors are not just anti-social. They&#8217;re illegal: coercion and harassment. Their erosion of public life might not be ideological (these people are not trying to impose Islam) but they&#8217;re fueled by Islamism in two distinct ways.</p><p>The first is impunity. These acts exist because reporting them, policing them, or naming the pattern carries a social cost, the cost of being called racist or islamophobic, which is precisely the cost the organizations described earlier work to manufacture.</p><p>The second is the imposition of an Islamist world view: a woman's visibility is a legitimate object of male policing, blasphemy is an injury that warrants force, burning a church&#8217;s door is acceptable because Christians don&#8217;t fight back, screaming Allahu Akbar scares people&#8230; all of these are downstream of a political project that taught the Islamist script. An ideology works most powerfully once it stops looking like an ideology and becomes simply how things are.</p><p>This is how the universal human rights for which Western societies have shed so much blood die a slow death.</p><p>So what can we do about it?</p><h1>My Message to Conservatives, Liberals, Politicians, and Moderate Muslims</h1><p>As we said, Islamophobia is real and many Muslims suffer from it as a result. It&#8217;s bad because it attacks a religion and the people who follow it.</p><p>But it&#8217;s also bad for the islamophobes themselves. The more islamophobia there is, the more Muslims feel bundled as a whole, rejected by their religion. They get radicalized, or don&#8217;t stop the extremists anymore (they&#8217;re in the same bundle, at the end of the day). That galvanizes Islamism, which then promotes actions that fuel further islamophobia, in a terrible vicious cycle.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png" width="1004" height="654" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:654,&quot;width&quot;:1004,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTWD!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83994ed3-6164-46fa-8753-76760b37fcb6_1004x654.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But also, the examples in the previous chapter are not an expression of Islam. They&#8217;re an expression of Islam<em>ism</em>, and Islamism is a threat to human rights that can&#8217;t be tolerated.</p><p>To break the cycle, we must differentiate between islamophobia and islam<strong>ism</strong>ophobia.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png" width="1022" height="740" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:740,&quot;width&quot;:1022,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nd-F!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ae32a64-2158-45ee-880c-6d35cb70bc26_1022x740.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Moderate Muslims are islamismophobic too. They are as appalled as you or me by these behaviors. They want them to end. And they can only end when we call them out for what they are: Not isolated incidents, but the expression of Islamism, the political side of Islam that tries to coerce others into the religion or face consequences, which means it&#8217;s against universal human rights.</p><p>So here&#8217;s my message to each group.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-38" href="#footnote-38" target="_self">38</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a67bd72-e153-47ea-9a9f-e36c87f1d4fd_1600x1055.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHQ!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a67bd72-e153-47ea-9a9f-e36c87f1d4fd_1600x1055.png" width="1200" height="791.25" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a67bd72-e153-47ea-9a9f-e36c87f1d4fd_1600x1055.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1055,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>To Moderate Muslims</h3><p>You&#8217;re in a difficult position. You have your personal, legitimate faith, which on one side, Western society pressures you to abandon, and on the other, Islamists push you to radicalize. When these two sides clash, you&#8217;re caught in the middle.</p><p>You can help solve this problem by drawing a clear line between yourselves and Islamists. That way, you can blame the problems on the true cause (Islamists), and not on Islam.</p><p>Always keep that narrative in mind. If there&#8217;s a terrorist attack? You can say: <em>&#8220;These are Islamists. Islamism is a political ideology that tries to impose Islam on others. It&#8217;s a scourge and we need to get rid of it. This does not represent me, nor a majority of Muslims. I defend human rights.&#8221;</em></p><p>If you do that, it will be clear that you are on the side of human rights, and you are enemies of Islamism. It will be much easier to fight it.</p><p>The harder fight might be on a day to day basis. When somebody decries islamophobia that is islamismophobia, we should all correct them, but your voice carries more weight than anybody else&#8217;s. When somebody coerces, harasses, or erodes civil life, we should all call them out, but if the perpetrator seems to be Muslim, it&#8217;s even more important and valuable that you do.</p><p>Some conservative Muslims might prefer to fudge the line between Islam and Islamism, but it&#8217;s important that you help them clarify it. There really are only two sides to this: Either you&#8217;re in favor of human rights, or in favor of Islamism. There isn&#8217;t an in between. Islam is compatible with human rights; Islamism is not. As conservative Muslims&#8217; strongest connection to the rest of Western society, it&#8217;s important that you help them see that.</p><h3>To Western Conservatives</h3><p>Stop conflating Islam and Islamism.</p><p>It&#8217;s OK to want to eat halal.<br>It&#8217;s OK to want to wear a hijab.<br>It&#8217;s OK to abide by Sharia Law for yourself, as long as you also respect civil law.<br>It&#8217;s OK to build a mosque.<br>It&#8217;s OK to sound a call to prayer in public.<br>It&#8217;s OK to pray in public, when your creed tells you to.<br>It&#8217;s OK to disapprove apostasy and blasphemy.<br>It&#8217;s OK to be a Muslim immigrant.<br>It&#8217;s OK to <a href="https://x.com/PatrickChristys/status/2057045093547204665?s=20">open a new mayoral term</a> with a Muslim prayer.<br>It&#8217;s OK for Western schoolchildren to <a href="https://x.com/FarazPervaiz3/status/2061229103236497637?s=20">go to the mosque</a> to learn about Islam.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-39" href="#footnote-39" target="_self">39</a><br>It&#8217;s OK to <a href="https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1728126424152965176?s=20">celebrate a specific Islamic event</a> in public.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-40" href="#footnote-40" target="_self">40</a></p><p>All of these are Islamic, and they&#8217;re OK. You should not denounce them. That&#8217;s Islamophobic. You should be able to differentiate them from Islamism, for four reasons.</p><p>First, if you don&#8217;t, you&#8217;re against the universal human value of freedom of religion, a core bastion of the Western values that you claim to respect.</p><p>Second, when you attack a legitimate religion, you attack all of its members. More specifically, you alienate the 20&#8211;50% of moderate Muslims who are also fighting the Islamists, because you&#8217;re putting both in the same bucket, so they&#8217;ll want to defend themselves together. The more Islamophobic you are, the more you&#8217;ll radicalize Muslims.</p><p>Third, you also alienate the left, who will have a legitimate beef with you.</p><p>Fourth, by eliminating your islamophobic thoughts and remarks, you can leave only <em>islam<strong>ism</strong>ophobic</em> ones. Every time somebody accuses you of islamophobia, you will know they&#8217;re wrong, and you&#8217;ll have a good opportunity to educate them on the very important difference between Islam and Islamism.</p><h3>To Western Liberals</h3><p>It&#8217;s important to call out islamophobia, and any other type of discrimination.</p><p>It&#8217;s equally important to make the distinction with islamismophobia, because Islamism is quite common. Otherwise, you&#8217;ll be unwittingly abetting Islamism, losing your moral clarity, and undermining the human rights that are so important to you.</p><p>Islamism is against some of the most important rights you&#8217;ve fought for: those of women and LGBTQ+ people. But they&#8217;re also against other very important rights: freedom of religion, freedom of speech, animal rights (dogs). Virtually everything Liberals fight for is against what Islamism wants.</p><p>Finally, the Left allied with the Islamists in Iran in the 1979 revolution. As the Islamists took power, they turned against the Left. The alliance between Left and Islamism is a one-way relationship.</p><p>So first, realize that one of your biggest enemies is Islamism.</p><p>When you see a behavior that triggers your concerns about <em>islamophobia</em>, stop for a moment and think about whether you&#8217;re actually seeing islamismophobia. If it&#8217;s against Islam, you should decry it as islamophobia. If it&#8217;s against Islamism, you should <em>join</em> the criticism.</p><p>This also means you have to stop the knee-jerk reaction of labeling everything as far-right islamophobia or racism. For example, the head of a French extreme-left party <a href="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/05/21/macron-urges-government-action-on-muslim-brotherhood-s-influence-in-france_6741505_7.html">called</a> a law against the Muslim Brotherhood islamophobic. It&#8217;s not, it&#8217;s islamismophobic. He's enabling Islamism. Banning <a href="https://icct.nl/publication/problems-banning-hizb-ut-tahrir-britain">another</a> Islamist organization has also been called islamophobic.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-41" href="#footnote-41" target="_self">41</a></p><h3>To Western Politicians</h3><p>Politicians who want to do the right thing are also in a tough spot:</p><ul><li><p>Right-wing politicians conflate Islam with Islamism to stoke hatred and call for the expulsion of all Muslims and immigrants</p></li><li><p>Left-wing politicians call any reaction to Islamism &#8220;islamophobia&#8221; and use racism to incite conflict with the right</p></li><li><p>Emotions garner votes, so moderate parties bleed voters on both sides</p></li><li><p>It&#8217;s not always easy to tell what should be acceptable and what shouldn&#8217;t.</p></li></ul><p>But I believe the vast majority of people are reasonable. They want Islam and don&#8217;t want Islamism. So here&#8217;s what politicians should consider:</p><ul><li><p>Is an action consistent with a personal belief? Then it&#8217;s OK.</p></li><li><p>Is it consistent with Islamism (or any other politically extremist view that tries to undermine universal human rights)? Then it should be fought.</p></li></ul><p>This has ramifications for many policies to fight both islamophobia and Islamism, such as policing, free speech, and immigration. We&#8217;ll cover these and more in the next article.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h1>Takeaways</h1><ul><li><p>Islam is personal and persuasive. Islamism is communal and coercive.</p></li><li><p>If you&#8217;re in favor of human rights, you&#8217;re in favor of freedom of religion, and you&#8217;re in favor of Islam.</p></li><li><p>If you&#8217;re in favor of Islamism, you are supporting a political movement that is trying to eliminate other religious beliefs and individual freedoms. You&#8217;re against human rights.</p></li></ul><p>So it&#8217;s crucial that we differentiate between Islam and Islamism. If you want to do that, you can ask questions like:</p><ul><li><p>Should civil law always be above Sharia law?</p></li><li><p>Are women equal to men?</p></li><li><p>Is homosexuality acceptable?</p></li><li><p>Should people be allowed to have dogs?</p></li><li><p>Should it be legal to eat pork?</p></li><li><p>Should it be legal to leave the Muslim faith?</p></li><li><p>Should it be legal to burn the Quran and draw the Prophet Muhammad?</p></li></ul><p>A moderate Muslim would answer yes to each.<br>A conservative Muslim might say: &#8220;<em>I disagree with these personally, but I respect the rights of others to do and think these things.&#8221;<br></em>An Islamist would say no to some or all of them.</p><p>This will highlight the bright line between Islam and Islamism, drawn by universal human rights.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/islamismophobia?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/islamismophobia?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>Up next: What can politicians do to reduce this problem, and two-tier policing</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Judaism and Islam emerged from pastoral societies, where the state was weak. As such, they both proposed rules that cover spirituality and state law. They give plenty of details on what you should and shouldn&#8217;t do, and what the consequences are for each action. Meanwhile, Christianity emerged under a very strong state, the Roman Empire, and so it purposefully focused on morality and spirituality, avoiding the state&#8217;s role in shaping law. This is why Jesus said </em>&#8220;My kingdom is not of this world.&#8221;<em> These roles quickly blurred (Christianity became part of the Roman Empire, Islam created states), but the original influence explains this divergence we see nowadays. The result for Islam is much more prescriptive on people&#8217;s day to day life, from what to eat, how to dress, who to marry, how to divorce, how to deal with foreigners, etc. This law is not always clear in the Quran, so the Hadiths tried to interpret it a few centuries later, based on what was written in the Quran, and what was known at the time from the living memory passed down over generations, including reports about Muhammad&#8217;s sayings, actions, approvals, and conduct. Since the Quran is frequently ambiguous, the Hadiths were much later than the Quran, and the process to gather them was highly political, there are different Hadiths, who differ in substantial aspects. We can see the interpretability of these texts through the Shia / Sunni gap, which emerged immediately after the death of Muhammad, and was cemented over the following centuries, including through Hadiths: Each school follows different ones. From then, there has been a scholarly evolution of interpretations of Quran and Hadiths, which have led to very different interpretations of what Sharia law should be. This means that there&#8217;s not one single Islam, that legitimate Islamic beliefs can differ widely from each other.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The Islamism table above is doing two things at the same time: It&#8217;s bundling within Islamism coercive behaviors and, sometimes, speech. This is purposeful, because Islamism is not a behavior, it&#8217;s a system of thought. That thought is against universal rights and can sometimes translate into behavior. But shouldn&#8217;t free speech be protected, including Islamic speech? Otherwise, isn&#8217;t that specifically targeting a religion? This is what this article is about.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>&#8220;Constistent&#8221; <em>doesn&#8217;t mean that all Islam says this. It just means that Islam <strong>can</strong> be consistent with the views on the left of this series of questions, while Islamism will tend to be consistent with views on the right. Traditional interpretations of Islam (like those of other religions) are in some areas tolerant, in others less so, depending on who you ask.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Notice this is slightly different from what I said before on the Islam column. There, I mixed moderate and conservative Muslim views, but excluded Islamist views. Here, I&#8217;m highlighting moderate positions.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Note crucially that Turkey and Qatar have not.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>From <a href="https://x.com/isaacrrr7/status/2058212573749637482">here</a>, transcribed with <a href="https://turboscribe.ai/">Turboscribe</a>, translated with ChatGPT</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The national data in the UK is not good enough to tell. There are four Grooming Gangs that are known, though. In those, the perpetrators were usually Pakistani. In some cases, also North African or East African. The victims nearly all White. The reports consistently showed that authorities suppressed action in fear of being called racist. When you look at <a href="https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/2056802208247599615?s=20">lists</a> of convicts, the <a href="https://x.com/peterstopcrime/status/2055746999295623223/photo/1">individual names</a> of perpetrators include Asad, Ajmal, Mohammed, Ahmed, Taukeer, Mohsin, Javid, Haroon, Zahir, Wajid&#8230;</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Case in point, Pakistan <a href="https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15870543/Pakistanis-gang-raped-French-tourist-three-children-executed-court-rules.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline">just condemned</a> two men to death for raping a French tourist woman in front of her children.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>And dozens and dozens of moderate Muslim organizations. From ChatGPT:
<strong>UK:</strong> British Muslims for Secular Democracy; Muslim Women&#8217;s Network UK; Inclusive Mosque Initiative; Nisa-Nashim; The City Circle; Muslim Youth Helpline; Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK.<strong>Germany:</strong> Liberal-Islamischer Bund; Ibn Rushd-Goethe Mosque; JUMA &#8212; jung, muslimisch, aktiv; HEROES Germany; CLAIM; Muslim Jewish Leadership Council.<strong>France:</strong> Musulmans Progressistes de France; Lallab; Homosexuel-le-s Musulman-e-s de France; Coexister; Les B&#226;tisseuses de Paix.<strong>Netherlands:</strong> Stichting Maruf; Femmes for Freedom; Al Nisa; Yoesuf Foundation; European Queer Muslim Network.<strong>Belgium:</strong> Merhaba; Kif Kif; BePax; European Muslim Network; European Queer Muslim Network.<strong>Denmark:</strong> Democratic Muslims; Exitcirklen; Sabaah; KVINFO-affiliated Muslim women&#8217;s initiatives.<strong>United States:</strong> Muslims for Progressive Values; Muslim Reform Movement; American Islamic Forum for Democracy; Muslim Public Affairs Council; Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity.<strong>Canada:</strong> Canadian Council of Muslim Women; Muslims for Progressive Values Canada; Noor Cultural Centre; Canadian Muslim Vote; Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama&#8217;at Canada.<strong>Australia:</strong> Muslim Women Australia; Australian Muslim Women&#8217;s Centre for Human Rights; Islamic Council of Victoria women&#8217;s initiatives; Together for Humanity.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>This is a simplification. Depending on the country and questions, this estimate is going to be 10-20% for radical Islamist positions, with a large group of 20&#8211;50% additional people who hold conservative views that might bleed into Islamist attitudes.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>With the caveat that, sometimes, the word </em>&#8220;justice&#8221; <em>is used as a stand-in for Sharia, especially when </em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>All Arabic is transcribed by TurboScribe, translated by ChatGPT (shared when ChatGPT allows), edited by me for length to focus on what I consider the Islamist positions.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-13" href="#footnote-anchor-13" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">13</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Transcribed by Turboscribe. Translated by ChatGPT.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-14" href="#footnote-anchor-14" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">14</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>This is not an imam but the leader of the MB in the UK</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-15" href="#footnote-anchor-15" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">15</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>All the data below is extracted from these reports, through NotebookLM. It might contain some mistakes, but I spot-checked and didn&#8217;t see any.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-16" href="#footnote-anchor-16" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">16</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>In the UK they established the Islamic Society of Britain (ISB), dominated the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB), and played a critical role in establishing the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), which successfully sought dialogue with the UK government. In France, the movement built a solid network over 40 years around a central umbrella structure, Musulmans de France (formerly the UOIF), which currently manages 139 affiliated places of worship (about 7% of all mosques in France). Across Europe, they established the Federation of Islamic Organisations in Europe (FIOE)&#8212;now the Council of European Muslims&#8212;to act as a massive umbrella for MB-linked groups across the continent. They also created the Forum of European Muslim Youth and Student Organisations (FEMYSO) to mobilize youth and conduct political lobbying.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-17" href="#footnote-anchor-17" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">17</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR)</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-18" href="#footnote-anchor-18" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">18</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>There&#8217;s no data on this, and the MB is a broad umbrella anyway, but if you add up all the money uncovered by different reports from different countries, it can easily reach that number, and probably higher.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-19" href="#footnote-anchor-19" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">19</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The <em>Qatar Charity NGO has poured millions into Europe to finance MB mosques and projects through its "Ghaith" program. In Spain alone, Qatar Charity funneled approximately 17 million euros by 2015 to construct and expand MB-linked hubs, including the Islamic Cultural Center of Catalonia in Barcelona.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-20" href="#footnote-anchor-20" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">20</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The Islamic Cultural Center of Valencia (CCIV) became so active in local integration and youth issues that they successfully secured hundreds of thousands of euros in public subsidies from regional governments and city councils. They even established partnerships for sociocultural projects with private entities like the Obra Social Caja Madrid.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-21" href="#footnote-anchor-21" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">21</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>It is not the only one. For example, countries with a lot of immigration that settle in enclaves will be living among peer immigrants, and the pressure to integrate will actually be weaker than that of the previous generation, which was a smaller minority so suffered more pressure to integrate.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-22" href="#footnote-anchor-22" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">22</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Governor of Punjab until 2022.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-23" href="#footnote-anchor-23" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">23</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-24" href="#footnote-anchor-24" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">24</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>How can you find hundreds of people willing to participate in such a crime if they are not all willing to protect each other?</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-25" href="#footnote-anchor-25" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">25</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>This mixes religion, immigration status, race, and government action, so it&#8217;s out of full scope for this. I will cover it more in another article.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-26" href="#footnote-anchor-26" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">26</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Here&#8217;s the <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DGITVkrT0e9/?img_index=2">original</a> letter, here&#8217;s a <a href="https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2025/02/australian-muslim-groups-condemn-those.html">transcript</a>. Here&#8217;s exactly what it says about the behavior of the nurses: </em>&#8220;Healthcare should be provided justly to all. [...] We recognise the importance of professionalism and ethical responsibility within healthcare and that the nurses' actions breached the codes of conduct for health professionals. The statements made by the nurses regarding "killing Israelis" were clearly emotional and hyperbolic, as supported by subsequent investigations. Healthcare professionals are bound by their duty to treat and care for all individuals.&#8221; I<em>f you pay attention, there is zero condemnation. The rest of the message is about how this is manufactured outrage to cover uphide the deaths in Gaza.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-27" href="#footnote-anchor-27" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">27</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Just to give you more examples. <a href="https://x.com/paulbristow79/status/1460955957312299016/photo/1">Here</a> you can see it claimed 45% of all hate crime offenses targeted Muslims. But in fact it&#8217;s only 45% of </em>religious<em> hate crimes. It was <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2020-to-2021/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2020-to-2021">2.2%</a> of </em>all<em> hate crimes. It probably purposefully mixed denominators (religious hate crimes instead of all hate crimes) to make the stat look shocking. It has continued <a href="https://mcb.org.uk/islamophobia-awareness-month-2023-muslim-stories-confronting-hate-in-challenging-times/">making</a> <a href="https://mcb.org.uk/mcb-responds-to-shocking-hate-crime-statistics/">similar</a> <a href="https://mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Hate-Crime-v1.2.pdf">claims</a></em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-28" href="#footnote-anchor-28" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">28</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The section is introduced as: </em>&#8220;Certain articles are embellished with extraneous details to the story and don&#8217;t provide any further context to the incident being reported on. The purpose of their inclusion seems to be targeted at portraying Muslims and/or Islam in a negative manner.&#8221; <em>Among others. Many more examples in the <a href="https://cfmm.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/CfMM-Annual-Report-2018-2020-digital.pdf">link</a></em>. <em>Table 13, page 104.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-29" href="#footnote-anchor-29" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">29</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The CfMM <a href="https://mailchi.mp/mcb/april-may-2021-updates">met</a> with the director general (who was &#8220;very impressed&#8221;) and the managing editor of the BBC (who called the CfMM a &#8220;powerful machine&#8221;).</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-30" href="#footnote-anchor-30" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">30</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The only religion for which this was done</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-31" href="#footnote-anchor-31" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">31</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>It also proposes </em>Irhabist<em>, which is Arabic for terrorist, and </em>Anti-Western Terrorist</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-32" href="#footnote-anchor-32" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">32</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>There are a few more examples in this document:</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-33" href="#footnote-anchor-33" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">33</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>These certainly overlap a lot, as over 30 countries are over 90% Muslim. As a result, grooming gangs that were completely Pakistani were also completely Muslim. Sometimes, it&#8217;s hard to tell the difference, and they blur. This can lead to either racism, xenophobia, islamophobia, or a combination of them. Here, I am focusing on the impact of Islamism, trying to disentangle it as much as possible. But it&#8217;s impossible to do perfectly given the correlations.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-34" href="#footnote-anchor-34" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">34</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>She claimed he had expelled Muslim students from a freedom of speech class in which he was going to show a picture of Muhammad. This didn&#8217;t happen, and the girl wasn&#8217;t even in class that day.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-35" href="#footnote-anchor-35" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">35</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Officers said the state interior ministry's control centre wanted the word 'rape' deleted from an internal report. The minister denied he had mandated that.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-36" href="#footnote-anchor-36" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">36</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em><a href="https://x.com/ahmedsohail/status/2056112074091036862">Another</a>: In the UK, there are more right-wing terrorism reports than Islamic terrorism ones, despite the Islamic terrorists being much more active and dangerous.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-37" href="#footnote-anchor-37" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">37</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>I can&#8217;t get the transcription to work, so I&#8217;ll rely on the text in the tweet, which might in fact be a mislabel. There were no community notes though.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-38" href="#footnote-anchor-38" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">38</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>These aren&#8217;t perfectly described groups, but I think they&#8217;re good enough.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-39" href="#footnote-anchor-39" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">39</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Same as Muslim children should go to churches to learn about Christianity, but since they already live in a majority-Christian society, they get more exposure than the other way around.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-40" href="#footnote-anchor-40" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">40</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em><a href="https://x.com/AmyMek/status/2062493649670385945">Here&#8217;s an interesting example</a> of an NYPD officer who wears a hijab. I think it&#8217;s OK to wear a hijab at work. But also, police is a public job, so it should be treated as religiously neutral. Overall, I think it should be possible to wear one as a police officer, but I also respect that other countries might have a different position on this. If they don&#8217;t want to allow a hijab though, then no other religious symbols should be allowed, like in France of <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1w9qe7n984o">Quebec</a>. The principle must be the same for all. </em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-41" href="#footnote-anchor-41" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">41</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em><a href="https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20231106/Tlaib%20Censure%20McCormick.pdf">Another example</a>: US Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib used the term &#8220;From the River to the Sea&#8221;. This is a slogan traditionally used to say that the entire region of Palestine (present-day Israel, Gaza, and West Bank) will become Muslim. This is considered Islamist, as it promotes the political expansion of Muslim rule over what is today not Muslim rule. She was censored for it. The censoring was called Islamophobic. I think this example is a bit muddier, because it&#8217;s arguable whether the entire logic here is valid. Maybe actually Tlaib didn&#8217;t mean that, and maybe that&#8217;s a contentious edge case of Islamism. But for the same reason that it&#8217;s unclear whether her statement is Islamist, it&#8217;s unclear whether her censuring is islamophobic.The movement Queers for Palestine legitimately worries about the plight of Gazans, but it should note that <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/">~95%</a> of <a href="https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2019/07/01/only-5-of-palestinians-and-6-of-lebanese-accept-gay-relationships/">Gazans</a> don&#8217;t accept gay relationships, that the ruling Hamas is supported by a large share of Gazans, and that Hamas is a terrorist Islamist organization.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[How Can Europe Improve Its Immigration]]></title><description><![CDATA[Through getting better immigrants, rejecting counterproductive ones, and managing the existing ones better.]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-can-europe-improve-its-immigration</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-can-europe-improve-its-immigration</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2026 19:52:34 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9Fsp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe810126d-0474-477a-b54c-4c22636b23bd_1600x1356.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the 6<sup>th</sup> and penultimate article in the series of immigration in the Western world. We&#8217;ve seen that:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">Europe needs immigrants, and they can be well managed</a>.</p></li><li><p>However, today, immigrants to Europe <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">commit more crime and terrorism, can undermine social cohesion, work less, and consume more welfare than natives</a>.</p></li><li><p>Muslim immigrants tend to be overrepresented in these stats. To understand better why, we looked at the beliefs of Muslims <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslims-think">in their native countries</a> and <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslim-immigrants-think-in">in the West</a>.</p></li><li><p>We also pondered <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-immigrants-should-the-west-accept">how we should think about immigration</a>: Who to welcome or reject, and how to best manage them.</p></li></ul><p>So today, we&#8217;re going to apply all this to suggest the best policies Europe can adopt to improve its immigration.</p><p>If you take immigration as a system, you need to:</p><ol><li><p>Get the best people in</p></li><li><p>Reject the worst ones</p></li><li><p>Make the most of the ones you got in</p></li></ol><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Get the Best Immigrants In</h1><p>Virtually every study I&#8217;ve read shows the same thing: Immigrants who come to work tend to be beneficial, and the high-skilled ones are the best, so that&#8217;s what Europe should aim for.</p><h3>a. Have Targets</h3><p>France now says it has <a href="https://x.com/petersweden7/status/2058570690299568634?s=46&amp;t=WPJ8oZ66knklCHaToeDvZQ">reached its limit of immigrants</a>, but how many is that? And why?</p><p>This is the most basic thing. Countries should know quite precisely how many immigrants they need. That number should be published, and success should be tracked against it.</p><p>Immigrant countries like <a href="https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/corporate-initiatives/levels/supplementary-immigration-levels-2026-2028.html">Canada</a>, <a href="https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels">Australia</a>, and <a href="https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/4577-cabinet-paper-new-zealand-residence-programme-pdf">New Zealand</a> do it, but most others don&#8217;t. They have caps for certain visas, or expected arrivals, but no goals to aim for.</p><h3>b. Hire As Many High-Skilled Workers As Possible</h3><p>Counterintuitively, if there&#8217;s one group that doesn&#8217;t need targets, it&#8217;s high-skilled workers.</p><p>They are nearly always positive net contributors. They commit less crime, work more, make more money, spend more, pay more taxes, increase innovation, and create more jobs. And this is all independent from background nationality or religion.</p><p>The EU has already improved the bureaucracy to get this type of immigrant with the <a href="https://www.apply.eu/">Blue Card</a>, but only a tiny share of immigrants come through this process today.</p><p>One way to do that is to open many postgraduate degrees in European schools. Let foreigners pay for their advanced education and, once here, allow them to stay and contribute. Joining through a university is also beneficial, because they get a community, friends, and an institution vested in their success after school, all of which increase integration and income.</p><p>This can open a loophole though, where universities have an incentive to accept foreign students with dubious credentials, as a way to bypass immigration barriers, so the government should <a href="https://www.enic-naric.net/page-academic-recognition-procedures">vet</a> these credentials. Foreign students who don&#8217;t have valid ones should follow a process of validation / remedial work / cultural acclimation / denial.</p><p>Another thing they can do is piggyback on other countries&#8217; vetting systems. Canada did this for a short period, <a href="https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/special-instructions/h1b/after/extensions.html">accepting</a> high-skilled US immigrant workers. We should see more of it.</p><p>Another thing Canada does well is its point system, which allows it to evaluate the potential contribution of immigrants. It apparently succeeds at selecting immigrants well (even though the country doesn&#8217;t always succeed at making them productive).</p><p>Personally, I&#8217;d also target India and China specifically: Together, their populations account for 35% of the world&#8217;s population. If you can get the best and brightest from there, even if they&#8217;re just 1% of the population, you&#8217;d get a flood of high-skilled workers.</p><h3>c. Sponsorships</h3><p>But it&#8217;s not just high-skilled workers. All immigrants with work visas tend to make more money than any other type.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png" width="1200" height="769.5" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1026,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-GM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37e3da00-a5ab-421d-bb4d-39cbe6e2afa4_1600x1026.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So of course, European countries should prioritize work visas. That&#8217;s what happens in countries like Saudi Arabia or the UAE: Immigrants go there to work. No asylum, no family reunification. When I was there, I spoke with many Pakistanis who were happily working there while their wives and children were in Pakistan.</p><p>To avoid unemployment, workers need a local sponsor. If they lose employment, they need to find another one. So this is also another way to reunify a family: Get a job sponsor for the wife.</p><p>It&#8217;s not just Muslim countries. Switzerland does the same:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png" width="451" height="480.7065868263473" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/aa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1424,&quot;width&quot;:1336,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:451,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TFaR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa067a06-b02e-437f-be4b-3deb3d2d6395_1336x1424.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>EFTA is EU plus adjacent countries (Norway, Liechtenstein, etc.).</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>In Switzerland, even EU members need either a job or to prove that they can sustain themselves in order to live in Switzerland. Non-EFTA workers need to prove they would be economically beneficial <em>to Switzerland</em> to be accepted. They are generally all high-skilled; there are virtually no low-skilled non-EU worker visas.</p><p>When I was an immigrant in the US, I was sponsored by a company. When I lost my job, I had a limited number of months to find another job before leaving. That makes sense to me.</p><h3>d. Prioritize Workers vs Other Visas</h3><p>You&#8217;d think &#8220;making sure most immigrants come to work&#8221; is obvious but look at Belgium.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png" width="603" height="645.0087082728592" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1474,&quot;width&quot;:1378,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:603,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Gppk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff67a306d-62ce-495e-8a0e-12bc93922188_1378x1474.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In 2022, less than 10% of Belgian visas were for work!<br>Of those, only 2 percentage points were for high-skilled work or research! Madness!</p><p>So where do the rest go? 15% are for study, which is OK. But a whopping 52% are for family! This is nonsensical. For every work residence permit, there are five family permits! That should be dramatically curtailed.</p><p>Does this mean family reunification should be impossible? Absolutely not! The worker should just be able to prove that his income can support the family&#8217;s housing, education, health coverage, and the like without requiring welfare. If a worker can&#8217;t support his wife, the wife should only come if she can work. We&#8217;ll talk more about this later.</p><p>The red section in the circle above shows that about 24% of all permits are humanitarian&#8212;the most costly, least value-add types of immigrants.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> I think it&#8217;s honorable to have a few refugees, but a quarter of all immigrants is completely untenable. According to a Dutch study, they each cost ~&#8364;500k in their lifetime!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png" width="937" height="811" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:811,&quot;width&quot;:937,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cA5X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5835c636-e9eb-42c1-a4d9-13efd143a060_937x811.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It&#8217;s reasonable to welcome some refugees, but the amount should be capped (remember those annual immigration goals?) 25% of a high amount of immigrants sounds unsustainable to me.</p><p>Belgium is an outlier, but it&#8217;s not the only one. Here is the data for the EU:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png" width="1200" height="687.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:917,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EjN7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ca5443f-8058-4fe4-b783-c61af3ebd224_1600x917.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>As you can see there&#8217;s a higher share of worker immigrants, but still huge amounts of other types.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The degree of suffering should be better considered. For example, I&#8217;d expect asylum seekers from Afghanistan to the UK be mostly women and girls, yet:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png" width="1070" height="947" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:947,&quot;width&quot;:1070,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uu3n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe09a707f-6dcd-46b0-90df-7e3b5ad907a5_1070x947.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>From <a href="https://x.com/aswren/status/2057237860990722419">here</a>. According to <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/d54c5917698f4d71946cf38b1fb40c6b">Grok</a>, it comes from <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/immigration-system-statistics-data-tables">UK data</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>You could argue that Europe accepts asylum seekers because it&#8217;s the responsibility of rich people to support poorer people, and that makes sense to me. But I respect that this is my opinion and not everybody should share it. Why should that be a public endeavor for a private choice? How are Afghan male refugees the responsibility of the state of Belgium?</p><p>The concept of the sponsor visa could be extended here: Those who want to increase the number of asylum seekers should be able to pay NGOs or companies to sponsor them (or do it themselves). They would be in charge of their costs, work, and integration. If these organizations fail frequently at these goals, they should lose pay for the costs of their failures and lose their licenses.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>Pushing this to the private sector would have several additional benefits. One is that private organizations tend to be better at achieving clear cost-benefit goals than public systems. Another is that they&#8217;re better at finding original solutions for problems. For example, it can be much better for the origin country and for the destination country to take a small part of that money and use it for development in the origin country. This can create many more jobs, enrich the origin country, and reduce welfare costs, social cohesion costs, and crime in the host country.</p><h3>e. Prioritize by Age</h3><p>In a perfect world, the immigration service would assess every immigrant individually, as Canada does with its point system. But some countries don&#8217;t have these systems yet. So what can they do? In the interim, the next best way to select immigrants is based on what a destination country knows about them, like age.</p><p>A person near retirement age will consume much more in welfare than they will produce in taxes, so these people should not get permits as easily as their younger counterparts. If they do, they should not retire following the same retirement rules as natives, but much later (in the spirit of the welfare section we will discuss later).</p><h1>2. Reject Counterproductive Immigration</h1><p>This is the other side of the same coin: Defining which ones you accept means defining which ones you deny. More in detail:</p><h3>f. Fraud</h3><p>Selecting by age is one of the ways immigrants get an incentive to lie on applications. Look at the bump at ages below 18 in the graph we just saw:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png" width="1070" height="947" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:947,&quot;width&quot;:1070,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OMIw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe673bcee-8929-4957-87c7-bd87d676fe7d_1070x947.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It&#8217;s very unlikely that there are two peaks (&#8220;modes&#8221;). It&#8217;s much more likely that these are 18-25 year olds passing as younger to get special benefits.</p><p>Other ways in which immigrants have gamed the system have been by claiming statelessness, destroying their papers, forging others&#8230;</p><p>Gaming the system through lies on applications should be immediate grounds for visa or residence permit denial.</p><h3>g. Prioritize by Country</h3><p>Besides age, the other obvious way to prioritize is by country. As we&#8217;ve seen, the most expensive, least productive, and more crime-prone regions tend to be MENAPT, so a reasonable destination country policy would be to install a points system, and until then, deprioritize immigrants from this type of country.</p><p>Notice I didn&#8217;t say Muslim countries though. Somalians, Afghanis, Palestinians, and Algerians tend to be at the top of the lists for crime and welfare spending, so European countries should be cautious of their allocations to such origin countries.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png" width="1200" height="867" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JUxX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bb82855-8571-4967-805f-8ac37e131ac0_1600x1156.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is for Afghanistan:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r3ez!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3381391e-5d6c-43c2-9ce4-a8f6e4523d2f_1600x1126.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r3ez!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3381391e-5d6c-43c2-9ce4-a8f6e4523d2f_1600x1126.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r3ez!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3381391e-5d6c-43c2-9ce4-a8f6e4523d2f_1600x1126.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r3ez!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3381391e-5d6c-43c2-9ce4-a8f6e4523d2f_1600x1126.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r3ez!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3381391e-5d6c-43c2-9ce4-a8f6e4523d2f_1600x1126.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r3ez!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3381391e-5d6c-43c2-9ce4-a8f6e4523d2f_1600x1126.png" width="1200" height="844.5" 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stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Here&#8217;s data for the economics:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SKHC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb91c7b6e-d2de-4391-b908-c179d244171f_1600x773.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SKHC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb91c7b6e-d2de-4391-b908-c179d244171f_1600x773.png 424w, 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Some African countries are more prone to crime and less prone to work than others. This should not be based on random lists of countries, but rather on some objective assessment of the immigrant&#8217;s potential based on the available information (in this case country of origin). If other data points are available, they should be taken into consideration too.</p><h3>h. Stop Dangerous Boat Trafficking</h3><p>As mentioned, any country should have targets for immigrants (and maybe get as many high-skilled immigrants as possible!), and then people should use legal channels to tap into these quotas. Bypassing them is against the law, which means it&#8217;s against the will of the people, and they hate it.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png" width="1200" height="240" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:320,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NofA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd73773-28bb-4824-b46c-d7cc00af860d_1600x320.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/53744-what-do-europeans-think-about-immigration">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>And in Europe, the main path of illegal immigration is by boat: <a href="https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/europe-sea-arrivals">150,000</a> people in 2025, ~80% of the total. This is also very dangerous for the immigrants, so it shouldn&#8217;t be incentivized.</p><p>Fortunately, we know how to stop it: </p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why Europe Shouldn’t Close Its Doors to Immigration]]></title><description><![CDATA[Although immigrants in Europe cause more crime, drain more state resources, and work less than natives, Europe should still receive immigrants: People get the causality wrong]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-europe-shouldnt-close-its-doors</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-europe-shouldnt-close-its-doors</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2026 15:00:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">The last article</a> caused <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">quite a stir</a>: Immigrants in Europe cause an inordinate amount of crime, drain state resources through welfare, and work less than natives. The problem is especially acute for immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa (all the way to Turkey and Pakistan), and from Muslim countries.</p><p>Some readers accused me of being right-wing for bringing this data to light. I understand why: They think bringing attention to problems caused by immigrants will lead to anti-immigration feelings and islamophobia. They think if the problem is denied, people won&#8217;t worry.</p><p>This reaction worries me. First, I don&#8217;t think bringing data to light should ever be a problem. I am concerned about the <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/free-speech-in-the-us-vs-europe-who">consistent move I am seeing</a> that the truth can be bad. Decades ago, it seemed more true on the right. Now, it seems common on the left. The truth can <em>never</em> be bad. The truth just is. We need to know how the world truly is in order to improve it.</p><p>More importantly, I think this is <em>precisely</em> why the right is winning in Europe! Remember:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png" width="1465" height="1277" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1277,&quot;width&quot;:1465,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f28z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2315972e-7976-4573-a6fd-c28161a60b90_1465x1277.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The more the left tries to deny that a problem exists with immigration, the less it can address it, the angrier the average voter gets, and the more they move to the right.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>And I actually don&#8217;t think the right&#8217;s position is good, either. Aside from positions I strongly disagree with on some topics (eg, pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine, anti EU&#8230;), many right-wing parties want to completely reverse immigration, and I think that&#8217;s bad, as we&#8217;ll see.</p><p>So since <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">in the previous article I already outlined the serious problem with immigration in Europe</a>, today I&#8217;ll explain why I don&#8217;t think we should conclude that the solution is a complete reversal of immigration in Europe, for five reasons:</p><ol><li><p>Europe needs immigrants</p></li><li><p>The standard fiscal accounting of immigrants is flawed</p></li><li><p>Many countries make immigration work</p></li><li><p>The long-term perspective of immigration is more positive than the short term</p></li><li><p>The causes of economic and criminal contributions are much more complex than people realize</p></li></ol><h1>1. Europe Needs Immigrants</h1><p>This is the population pyramid in the EU:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png" width="1600" height="1176" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1176,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!23xY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3808aabc-a196-477b-8e58-3346104294d8_1600x1176.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The massive generation of Baby Boomers is now at the age when it will dwindle fast. Given the low birth rates in Europe, these are the population projections with and without immigration.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png" width="1600" height="1348" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1348,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vESU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f6c998a-5904-4e13-8f27-04747808468d_1600x1348.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/feb/18/europes-population-crisis-see-how-your-country-compares-visualised">The Guardian</a>, based on data from Eurostat population projections, UK Office for National Statistics. Scenario with migration is based on a country's average net migration levels from up to 20 years ago, depending on data availability. Scenario without excludes this input in the projection model and is based on natural population dynamics.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Europe has two options:</p><ol><li><p>Accept immigrants to plug the hole, and manage their arrival. This is what it has been doing.</p></li></ol><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png" width="1114" height="800" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:800,&quot;width&quot;:1114,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gvC0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c5889d0-4211-402f-987b-07683f20a5cc_1114x800.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Based on a <a href="https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol40/45/40-45.pdf">2015 paper</a>, projections for annual net migration needed to keep the working-age population stable. Notice that this is probably a bare minimum, because fertility rates have further declined, and because the number of retirees will explode over the coming decades, so the ratio of workers to retirees will continue shrinking. </em></figcaption></figure></div><ol start="2"><li><p>Not accept immigrants and dramatically shrink the working population.</p></li></ol><p>This sounds good in theory, but reality is pretty dire. The consequence? Lose all their services: healthcare, education, coffee shops, supermarkets, construction&#8230; When you eliminate millions of working immigrants, women (in general, but men too) either have fewer children or must stay at home more. Food is more expensive, because there are fewer low-wage workers willing to do the hard work needed to produce it. When you need an electrician or a plumber, you can&#8217;t find one. You spend days, or weeks, or months with a broken elevator, or without water, or electricity, because there just aren&#8217;t enough people. Prices go through the roof. Everything grinds to a halt.</p><p>Immigration is extremely economically beneficial for the following reasons:</p><ul><li><p>Complementarity: immigrants do tasks natives are less likely to do, making natives more productive.</p></li><li><p>Task specialization: natives move into more complex roles, making more money.</p></li><li><p>Immigrants&#8217; lower salaries and the additional supply of low-cost labor lowers prices: cleaning, care, food preparation, household services, construction, agriculture&#8230; All become more affordable.</p></li><li><p>Native labor-supply release: cheaper household services allow high-skilled natives, especially women, to work more (and make more money).</p></li><li><p>Investment: larger markets allow more specialization and business investment.</p></li><li><p>Innovation and entrepreneurship: high-skilled immigrants raise patenting, R&amp;D, firm creation, and total factor productivity.</p></li></ul><p>All of that is a bit abstract, though. Let&#8217;s take a concrete example from the previous (premium) article. A Tunisian woman arrives in France at age 30 and works for 35 years taking care of native families&#8217; children and household chores (let&#8217;s imagine she helps four families consecutively).</p><p>In these four families, the woman can return to work a decade earlier than she would have otherwise. This allows the family to make much more money. The couple also has more time to go out together, strengthening the marriage, and they can go on more family holidays thanks to the additional money and time they have.</p><p>Meanwhile, the woman is highly skilled, so the company that hires her is more innovative and productive.</p><h1>2. The Fiscal Benefits Are Higher</h1><p>I showed how the fiscal costs of many immigrants in Europe are quite high. That really depends on how they&#8217;re calculated, though.</p><p>For example, <a href="https://joaonevesanalytics.substack.com/p/contributory-impact-of-migrants-in">Portugal claims that its immigrants are net positive contributors</a>, but their accounting misses things like the long-term costs of pensions, or most welfare costs, which is not part of social security (eg, healthcare and education).</p><p>Meanwhile, the <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic">Netherlands, Finland, and Denmark</a> have seen a high fiscal cost of their immigrants, accounting for the elements above. What they don&#8217;t do, however, is consider the indirect economic benefits.</p><p>Let&#8217;s go back to our Tunisian immigrant. From the previous article:</p><blockquote><p>She gets $6,000 in welfare a year. But during that time, the couple can make &#8364;30,000 more per year than they would have made without a housemaid. Of these &#8364;30k, let&#8217;s say &#8364;13,000 go to taxes, &#8364;2,000 to savings, and the rest (&#8364;15k) pays for the immigrant&#8217;s salary, who then pays &#8364;4,000 in taxes. The natives&#8217; companies produce &#8364;20,000 more per year too, of which they pay &#8364;2,000 in taxes. So what&#8217;s the balance?</p></blockquote><ul><li><p>Fiscally: The state gets &#8364;4k in taxes from the woman but pays &#8364;6k in welfare. It looks like this woman costs &#8364;2k per year to the state!</p></li><li><p>But that&#8217;s not accurate, because the country also gets &#8364;13k from the natives, plus &#8364;2k from their companies&#8217; increased productivity, for a total &#8364;15k positive contribution!</p></li><li><p>And that&#8217;s just the taxes. The country produces &#8364;2k more from the family, &#8364;11k from the immigrant, and &#8364;19k from the company, who then can spend them on other goods and services</p><ul><li><p>This accelerates the economy or increases savings (which means indirectly more investment in companies that can then grow faster).</p></li></ul></li></ul><p>So what looks like a fiscally negative immigrant can actually be positive when properly accounted for.</p><p>Does it mean that every immigrant is fiscally positive? Absolutely not. But it does show how they contribute much more than meets the eye.</p><h1>3. Immigration Can Be More Productive than It Is in Europe</h1><p>We&#8217;ve seen that the US doesn&#8217;t have the same problems with its immigration as Europe, including the Muslim group. It&#8217;s not the only example. Immigration in Switzerland works in general quite well economically (although seems to suffer equally from crime).<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>But there&#8217;s an even better example, which we looked at in a previous premium article. Which countries are receiving the most Muslim immigrants?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png" width="609" height="697.45" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:962,&quot;width&quot;:840,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:609,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVdt!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdd9701ce-4497-46d4-a25a-e45c7f2a2072_840x962.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Saudi Arabia and the UAE. In both, immigrants are economically productive, and <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/f96fe12a864b41af9c82c8e285c554a7">crime rates in these countries have remained stable</a> even as massive numbers of foreigners have immigrated there. This shows that highly valuable Muslim immigration is possible. You just need to know where to look, and learn from their best practices.</p><h1>4. The Long Term Perspective of Immigration</h1><p>Few countries have as much of a history of immigration as the US. For decades, Americans worried about Italian and Irish immigration. And they had reason to! Their economic contribution was much lower than that of the average American, and their crime much higher. The second generation was also quite enmeshed in the networks and ghettos of their forebears. But the third generation was less segregated. And the fourth. And now, the past racism between English/Germans against Italians/Irish has mostly disappeared, and their differences are more anecdotal than fundamental.</p><p>Of course, this is not what the data is suggesting in some EU countries, where 2<sup>nd</sup> generation immigrants are worse than 1<sup>st</sup> generation ones across some dimensions. But it moderates our conclusions: We should expect that, <em>over the long term</em>, immigrants integrate much better than the short-term suggests, and if they don&#8217;t, the most likely culprit is the policies of the recipient country.</p><h1>5. Immigrant Crime and Economic Performance Is Complex</h1><p>I don&#8217;t think anybody questions that immigrants cause more crime and contribute less to the economy than natives in Europe. However, <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic/comments">they do question</a> <em>why</em>.</p><ul><li><p>On the right, people might say: <em>Immigrants bring crime and don&#8217;t work because they come from very low human capital countries</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a><em> and because they live off of other people&#8217;s taxes.</em></p></li><li><p>On the left, they might say: <em>Immigrants commit more crime and work less because of their age, sex, education, exposure to conflict, institutional racism, and lack of work permits.</em></p></li></ul><p>The thing is, they are both right. All these drive immigrant crime up and their economic contribution down:</p><ul><li><p>Immigrants are young, and young people commit more crimes</p></li><li><p>Immigrants to Europe skew male, and males commit more crime</p></li><li><p>Immigrants who can&#8217;t work tend to commit more crime</p></li><li><p>Immigrants from regions where there&#8217;s a lot of crime or conflict tend to commit more crime</p></li><li><p>Low education immigrants produce less</p></li><li><p>It can&#8217;t be a coincidence that MENAPT countries are all the most crime-prone and economically expensive, and share the same religion&#8212;Islam</p><ul><li><p>However, Indonesia and Malaysia are Muslim countries and immigrants from there are among the least likely to commit crime. Therefore, it can&#8217;t just be the religion.</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Welfare policies are one of the biggest contributors to crime and economic contribution. For example, a policy that prevents work for years will reduce the economic contribution and increase crime. A policy that increases welfare will be much more expensive and attract less work-focused immigrants. So it&#8217;s not just the immigrants, but more importantly the laws Europe approves to manage them.</p></li></ul><p>Unfortunately, as far as I know, nobody has really quantified how much each of these factors contributes to the problem. Maybe because it might be near impossible: These factors interact in quite complex ways. One low-performing immigrant in Belgium might have never entered Switzerland for example; if they ended up in Saudi Arabia, they wouldn&#8217;t commit a crime that they might commit in Belgium; and if they did commit a crime, they might end up in prison or extradited in a way that would not be true in Belgium.</p><h1>Takeaways</h1><p>So Europe needs immigrants, their fiscal contribution is not as bad as it appears, immigrants tend to get better across generations, other countries are much better than the EU at managing immigration, and the causes of the poor criminal and economic performance of immigrants are quite complex. All these together suggest that the solution to immigration in Europe shouldn&#8217;t simply be: <em>Let&#8217;s close our doors</em>. Much better policy should allow it to receive the right amount of immigrants, make them productive, and prevent the more problematic ones from causing harm. That&#8217;s what we&#8217;ll discuss in the next article.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>That article will be paywalled. Subscribe to read it</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Denmark is an outlier here: The left-wing government has moved to a skeptical stance on immigration.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Just a few days ago a Swiss-Turk Muslim attacked three people in Switzerland while yelling &#8220;allahu Akbar&#8221;. <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/f96fe12a864b41af9c82c8e285c554a7">Grok says</a> Switzerland suffers from strong immigrant crime issues, with a stark overrepresentation of immigrants in criminal statistics.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>This includes culture, genetics, human development, education, and more.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Criminal, Social, and Economic Cost of Immigrants in the EU]]></title><description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s been a huge backlash against immigration in the West recently.]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2026 12:03:01 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a huge backlash against immigration in the West recently. In the UK, anti-immigration protests have taken place:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HMtB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0979551d-a7bf-4154-8d4f-d9ef4ba91315_1600x898.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HMtB!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0979551d-a7bf-4154-8d4f-d9ef4ba91315_1600x898.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HMtB!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0979551d-a7bf-4154-8d4f-d9ef4ba91315_1600x898.png 848w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Image from a recent UK demonstration against immigration</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The UK Prime Minister is actively trying to display an image of toughness against immigration&#8212;and failing:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kKHM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6415c15b-3046-4d00-a527-758a43928132_1174x1120.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kKHM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6415c15b-3046-4d00-a527-758a43928132_1174x1120.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Across Europe, people support policies to stop and revert immigration.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K_8w!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c8623db-a0e6-4732-8f03-e46277eb682b_1600x650.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K_8w!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c8623db-a0e6-4732-8f03-e46277eb682b_1600x650.png 424w, 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A Dutch party in the ruling coalition is pushing for <a href="https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-wilders-asylum-seekers-government-980e3d47fa57ed490ae71609b4afd642">sweeping anti-immigrant rules</a>. But most governments are not acting as fast as public opinion is asking, so right-wing parties around Europe are gaining traction and are becoming front-runners</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jsKp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41a25d6e-d826-41d0-a412-1cc7e31417db_1465x1277.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jsKp!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41a25d6e-d826-41d0-a412-1cc7e31417db_1465x1277.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: Tomas Pueyo for Uncharted Territories, data gathered by Claude.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>But the EU has had plenty of immigration for decades, since Schengen opened border movement, and despite some initial fear, it turned out quite well. What happened? A lot of the immigration came from within the EU, but now the vast majority is from outside. Of them, the biggest group is Muslims, at 40%.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> This is causing friction:</p><ul><li><p>Austria has <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4djk0jj4xo">banned headscarves</a> for girls below 14.</p></li><li><p>German Chancellor Merz vowed to <a href="https://www.dw.com/en/german-government-pushes-syrian-refugees-to-return-to-war-torn-homeland/a-75901370">expel</a> 80% of the 1M Syrians currently living in Germany within three years.</p></li><li><p>Even in the US, which doesn&#8217;t receive a particularly high amount of Muslim immigrants, President Trump called Somalian immigrants <a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-garbage-somalia-minneapolis-immigrant-omar-03e31bba53519d8a39b419679a3b75d9">garbage</a> and signed an <a href="https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12631">expanded travel ban</a>, applicable to many from the Middle East and Africa.</p></li></ul><p>When you read the media, social media, and talk on the street, the main complaints you hear are the social and economic costs: Immigrants cause more crime and more terrorism, they destroy social cohesion, work less, and consume much more welfare. Are these claims true? For which immigrants?</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h1>1. The Social Costs</h1><p>As we discussed in <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-immigrants-should-the-west-accept">the previous article</a>, the social costs of immigration can be crime, terrorism, native flight, and the loss of social cohesion, so let&#8217;s look at each.</p><h2>Crime</h2><p>The most typical complaint I see people make is this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RqUM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f3f78dd-5c25-42ef-bfa0-fd3cd252e96a_1600x1286.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: Tomas Pueyo for Uncharted Territories, with <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat__custom_21244391/default/table">data from Eurostat</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Indeed, while the EU population increased by less than 2% between 2014 and 2024, sexual assaults increased by 72%, rapes by 150%, sexual exploitation by 89%, attempted intentional homicides by 47%, and serious assaults by 45%. Violent crime has decreased, though: robberies by 33%, burglaries 15%, and theft by 22%.</p><p>So what&#8217;s going on?</p><p>This chart combines data for five European countries: Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, and Italy.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png" width="1600" height="1200" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/cb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1200,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EEYA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb42c597-b224-4da7-a1dc-263e0d5df641_1600x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Clearly, immigrants from Muslim countries are overrepresented across most of these host countries. Let&#8217;s look at each one in turn.</p><h3>Germany</h3><p>These crime statistics were just released for Germany in 2025. This is how much more likely foreigners are to commit crime vs locals:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png" width="1600" height="1308" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1308,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ueE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac75d8de-d446-489b-961e-9b2542ba22ec_1600x1308.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>I took total crime rates per country of origin from the German Police <a href="https://www.bka.de/EN/CurrentInformation/Statistics/PoliceCrimeStatistics/2025/pcs2025.html">here</a> (table T62, there are many, it&#8217;s confusing). I translated with Claude, but checked the numbers and they work. Note that people with double citizenship German-something else are counted as German, so this likely <strong>undercounts</strong> the crime rate of foreigners. I took the nationality of foreigners from the German stats organization DeStatis <a href="https://www-genesis.destatis.de/datenbank/online/statistic/12521/table/12521-0002/table-toolbar/search/s/MTI1MjE%3D">here</a> (also confusing, the right one is 12521-0002, and then you need to toggle to citizenship). Both are for 2025, so this should account for recent changes. I took first the per capita rate of crime for 4 different measures of crime: overall, murders, sexual crimes, and violent crimes. Note that overall includes the others, and that violent crimes include murders and some sexual crimes. I then took the ratio of each of these rates of crime to Germany&#8217;s rate. Then I took an average of the four. So this is basically taking overall crime per capita relative to Germans, but overweighting violent crime, sex crimes, and murder.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Algerians in Germany are <strong>26x</strong> more prone to crime than the average German. 13 other Muslim-majority nationalities are at least 5x more criminal than the average German. Only one non-Muslim majority meets that requirement (Georgia).</p><p>If you break the numbers down by pickpocketing, sex crimes, murder, and overall crime rate, this is what you get:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png" width="1200" height="852.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/cab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1137,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53W4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcab42b79-0872-4d94-850b-ecb966f1fa2f_1600x1137.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>An interesting fact is that Sweden appears in the Top 20 murdering nationalities in Germany. I dug into this and found 6 murders by Swedes in Germany in 2025. I tried to find out more details but couldn&#8217;t. What I did find, however, is <a href="https://www.aklagare.se/en/for-the-media/press-releases/2025/november/indictment-for-preparation-of-a-terrorist-crime-in-sweden-and-attempted-murder-in-germany/">this report</a> from Sweden about Swedes attempting murder in Germany. They were of immigrant background and planned to do it in the name of the Islamic State. We&#8217;ll look at Swedish crime later, but essentially, this suggests that these are immigrants with Swedish background.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p><br>As you can see, green (Muslim) is at the top of all the rankings, with special mention for the winner, Algeria, with the brutal record of one crime for every three Algerians <em>every year</em>. Algerians are ~1500x times more likely to be a pickpocket than Germans, to murder at 35x the rate of Germans, to commit 23x more crime overall, and are 8x more likely to commit sex crimes.</p><p>Your first reaction might be: <em>Yeah but that&#8217;s not because they&#8217;re Muslim; it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re poor.</em> That&#8217;s a good thought to have:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0AEB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1396ce49-72df-477f-9a41-908eb6aca5b5_1600x938.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0AEB!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1396ce49-72df-477f-9a41-908eb6aca5b5_1600x938.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0AEB!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1396ce49-72df-477f-9a41-908eb6aca5b5_1600x938.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0AEB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1396ce49-72df-477f-9a41-908eb6aca5b5_1600x938.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0AEB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1396ce49-72df-477f-9a41-908eb6aca5b5_1600x938.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0AEB!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1396ce49-72df-477f-9a41-908eb6aca5b5_1600x938.png" width="1200" height="703.5" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1396ce49-72df-477f-9a41-908eb6aca5b5_1600x938.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:938,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Both of these axes are logarithmic. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Indeed immigrants from poor countries tend to commit more crime, but there&#8217;s plenty of confounders: human capital, culture, education, age, sex, labor-market access&#8230; Some poor countries don&#8217;t commit any crime (eg Madagascar), and other countries with the same GDP per capita commit dramatically more crime (eg, Central African Republic).</p><p>So is it more the money, or the human capital from the country? A <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w34547">recent Finnish study</a> gave some random families $600/month for a couple of years and measured the impact on crime. It was 0%. <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X23003388">This paper</a> showed that the link between inequality and crime is basically zero. More inequality doesn&#8217;t mean more crime.</p><p>The trendlines on the graph suggest that immigrants from Muslim countries commit on average +50% crime vs those of other countries, but that might be because of more conflict in the origin countries (eg, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia), more asylum seekers vs economic workers, the fact that a majority of them are men&#8230; Conversely, Indonesian and Malay immigrants tend to be Muslim too, but their crime rate is extremely low.</p><p>So both income and religion probably are part of the picture, but they&#8217;re definitely not the entire picture.</p><h3>Denmark</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7Hf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F605a72aa-03cc-48fc-98e7-28e395fabb43_835x897.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7Hf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F605a72aa-03cc-48fc-98e7-28e395fabb43_835x897.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7Hf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F605a72aa-03cc-48fc-98e7-28e395fabb43_835x897.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7Hf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F605a72aa-03cc-48fc-98e7-28e395fabb43_835x897.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7Hf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F605a72aa-03cc-48fc-98e7-28e395fabb43_835x897.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7Hf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F605a72aa-03cc-48fc-98e7-28e395fabb43_835x897.png" width="835" height="897" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/605a72aa-03cc-48fc-98e7-28e395fabb43_835x897.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:897,&quot;width&quot;:835,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dansk-pal%C3%A6stinensere">Apparently</a>, Kuwait and Lebanon here really mean Palestine, but since it&#8217;s not a recognized country in Denmark, immigrants from there <a href="https://integrationsbarometer.dk/tal-og-analyser/filer-tal-og-analyser/arkiv/NotatvedrrendekriminalitetenblandtMENAPT.pdf">can&#8217;t</a> be labeled Palestinian. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230228045408/https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Here, they corrected for age and sex of the immigrants.:</p><div 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dc321086-7433-44a2-82b9-57fa4c33e216_1052x1253.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1253,&quot;width&quot;:1052,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oqvO!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc321086-7433-44a2-82b9-57fa4c33e216_1052x1253.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oqvO!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc321086-7433-44a2-82b9-57fa4c33e216_1052x1253.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oqvO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc321086-7433-44a2-82b9-57fa4c33e216_1052x1253.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oqvO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc321086-7433-44a2-82b9-57fa4c33e216_1052x1253.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230228045408/https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>As you can see, this does reduce the crime rate of immigrants vs the baseline, but doesn&#8217;t change the overall picture. This tells you that receiving young male immigrants, especially from crime-prone countries, is a way to dramatically increase the crime rate.</p><p><a href="https://www.ft.dk/samling/20171/almdel/uui/spm/127/svar/1449662/1829337/index.htm">This Danish report</a> showed that a few hundred Palestinians were accepted into Denmark in 1992 under a special law. Of them, about 64% had criminal records: 21% ended up in prison, and 43% got at least one large fine.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> About 59% were on welfare. Of their children, <a href="https://piopio.dk/palaestinensere-er-endt-i-kriminalitet-og-paa-offentlig-forsoergelse">34%</a> have been convicted of a crime, 13% received a prison sentence.</p><p>Here&#8217;s a breakdown per type of crime:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PTR5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PTR5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PTR5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PTR5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PTR5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PTR5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png" width="1600" height="1463" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1463,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PTR5!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc88bfedb-ae4e-4e8e-a4ec-f6d3fa0e0ba9_1600x1463.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The Danish Parliament <a href="https://www.ft.dk/samling/20191/almdel/reu/spm/291/svar/1618048/2123368.pdf">looked at</a> the share of men born in 1987 who had been penally convicted of a crime by the time they were 30, and this is what it found:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2vGf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3465973e-25f0-4309-8125-b168faf1efab_1600x1453.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2vGf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3465973e-25f0-4309-8125-b168faf1efab_1600x1453.png" width="1600" height="1453" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3465973e-25f0-4309-8125-b168faf1efab_1600x1453.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1453,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2vGf!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3465973e-25f0-4309-8125-b168faf1efab_1600x1453.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2vGf!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3465973e-25f0-4309-8125-b168faf1efab_1600x1453.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2vGf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3465973e-25f0-4309-8125-b168faf1efab_1600x1453.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2vGf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3465973e-25f0-4309-8125-b168faf1efab_1600x1453.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Sweden</h3><p>Sweden doesn&#8217;t have much data, but I was able to find some from the official <a href="https://bra.se/rapporter/arkiv/2021-08-25-misstankta-for-brott-bland-personer-med-inrikes-respektive-utrikes-bakgrund">Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Udl_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F133bc3d9-8000-402d-a379-844248a4e839_1425x1390.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>In Sweden, the share of foreign-born people <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden">has grown</a> from 0.7% in 1990 to 20% today, of which about a third are from Muslim countries. <a href="https://bra.se/download/18.366598ab19270941a1c3955/1729256818286/2021_Tabellbilaga%201%20delstudie%201.pdf">Source</a> for the relevant table.</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Spain</h3><p>Spain is interesting because, unlike most other European countries, it attracts a much more diverse mix of immigrants.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nDyc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9dbf18f3-6aee-4fb4-b8b6-0f6a47d9189a_1395x1139.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nDyc!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9dbf18f3-6aee-4fb4-b8b6-0f6a47d9189a_1395x1139.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nDyc!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9dbf18f3-6aee-4fb4-b8b6-0f6a47d9189a_1395x1139.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nDyc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9dbf18f3-6aee-4fb4-b8b6-0f6a47d9189a_1395x1139.png 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>However, in Spain, four of the top five most crime-prone countries of origin are Muslim.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x99R!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd58e31a4-69f2-4450-b13a-d5cfd660e6a4_1600x790.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x99R!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd58e31a4-69f2-4450-b13a-d5cfd660e6a4_1600x790.png 424w, 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stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: Tomas Pueyo for Uncharted Territories, based on <a href="https://www.interior.gob.es/opencms/pdf/archivos-y-documentacion/documentacion-y-publicaciones/publicaciones-descargables/instituciones-penitenciarias/informe-general/Informe-General_2024_12615039X_pdfWEB.pdf">data</a> from the Informe General 2024 de Estad&#237;stica General Clasificada de Poblaci&#243;n Penitenciaria de la Secretar&#237;a General de Instituciones Penitenciarias, via <a href="https://www.abc.es/espana/nacionalidad-extranjera-reclusos-carceles-espana-20241119131725-nt.html?ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.es%2Fespana%2Fnacionalidad-extranjera-reclusos-carceles-espana-20241119131725-nt.html">this</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Finland</h3><p>Here&#8217;s what I found for Finland.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Via <a href="https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000011024046.html">this</a>, which has a paywall so I couldn&#8217;t view it, but it was shared <a href="https://x.com/johnthenoticer/status/2042149853619184062?s=20">here</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Italy</h3><p>And for Italy:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png" width="1600" height="1067" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1067,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtAo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08b3ec71-71ea-40b4-a054-e6df52b41900_1600x1067.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/2048748818531815715?s=20">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Norway</h3><p>In Norway:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png" width="1600" height="1152" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1152,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSeT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3ec075e-2b10-4112-873b-0a20fe7b2aaf_1600x1152.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>UK</h3><p>The UK doesn&#8217;t have much information, but a <a href="https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/api/v1/file/f74dd9e3-465d-47ef-890a-1fff245c8bd8.xlsx">freedom of information request to the London Metropolitan Police</a> delivered <a href="https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/api/v1/file/5f7711b3-9cbb-43cc-9135-3fb31403d022.xlsx">this data</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png" width="1504" height="1281" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/eeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1281,&quot;width&quot;:1504,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i-N8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feeca3e4c-3036-4894-ae28-09b7a50cfd9b_1504x1281.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Another Freedom of Information request to English and Welsh police provided this data:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png" width="1578" height="1804" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1804,&quot;width&quot;:1578,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jw_j!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82ae15ed-a226-434f-bb9b-54bb80ddddde_1578x1804.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>I&#8217;m only showing the top 40 countries. 25 of them are Muslim. 9 of the top 10 are, too.</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Netherlands</h3><p>The Netherlands publishes crime data but not per country. There, non-EU immigrants are <a href="https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/maatwerk/2026/17/kenmerken-van-verdachten-en-slachtoffers-2023-maart-2026">4.5x</a> more crime-prone than the Dutch:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> They are 15% of the population but commit ~40% of the crime.</p><p>Note that this problem does not seem to exist in the US. There, the share of Muslims is quite small, and most criminals are American (more likely to be criminal than the average immigrant). As you can see, wherever we look in Europe, there&#8217;s an overrepresentation of Muslim countries at the top of the crime lists. Controlling for age, sex, and income reduces this effect, but it remains strong. Immigrants in general commit much more crime than locals. Within immigrants, non-EU immigrants are much more crime prone. Within those, Muslim immigrants cause the most crime.</p><h2>Terrorism</h2><p>Terrorism data is harder to get because there&#8217;s less of it. But we do have some. Around the world, about 75% of terrorism deaths are caused by Islamism.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png" width="1326" height="1076" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zcd1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0083abcf-94a6-4dd6-b510-b8eb5d8c3137_1326x1076.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>I asked Claude to look into the Global Terrorism Database and give me the topline results of Islamist terrorism. <a href="https://claude.ai/share/ec936bd9-68f8-4ca6-b236-a950fe6d9ea0">It told me</a> that 75% of global terrorism deaths in the world in 2023 were caused by Islamism, which has killed 250,000 people in 163 countries, with just four Islamist terrorist organizations accounting for the majority: Islamic State, Hamas, JNIM, and Al-Shabaab. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Here are terrorists in the US for the last 30 years, by type of terrorism.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png" width="1600" height="1122" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QAzq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd254ab34-4111-4470-bcab-428942195ccb_1600x1122.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Data from <a href="https://www.rieas.gr/images/TerrorismStudies/immigration9.pdf">here</a>, transcribed with Claude.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Here are security threat prosecutions in Germany in 2025.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hhv8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F931582d3-b005-44dd-946c-9ac68a2a895f_1600x1363.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hhv8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F931582d3-b005-44dd-946c-9ac68a2a895f_1600x1363.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hhv8!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F931582d3-b005-44dd-946c-9ac68a2a895f_1600x1363.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hhv8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F931582d3-b005-44dd-946c-9ac68a2a895f_1600x1363.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hhv8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F931582d3-b005-44dd-946c-9ac68a2a895f_1600x1363.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In the UK, Islamism accounts for <a href="https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-07-24/debates/03C258B1-5D37-4875-A575-204A0BFE9766/ContestUKStrategyForCounteringTerrorism2023">67%</a> of attacks since 2018, <a href="https://www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update">75%</a> of terrorism investigation cases, and <a href="https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/88099/html/">90%</a> of convictions.</p><p>So I think we can all agree that the biggest threat in worldwide and European terrorism is Islamism, and it&#8217;s so stark that the 2<sup>nd</sup> most significant threat doesn&#8217;t even matter.</p><h2>Social Cohesion</h2><p>Several papers have found that <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415577989">ethnic</a> <a href="https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-soc-071913-043309">diversity</a> <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x">reduces</a> neighborhood <a href="https://books.google.es/books?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;id=1GeaMuG2Q8AC&amp;oi=fnd&amp;pg=PT8&amp;ots=n0cZKBAcjY&amp;sig=bsv3JUvLJpEq6Q-Lhnv8OZor4sk&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">trust</a> and <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249285682_The_Effect_of_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Community_Disadvantage_on_Social_Cohesion_A_MultiLevel_Analysis_of_Social_Capital_and_Interethnic_Relations_in_UK_Communities">social capital</a>, including <a href="https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-polisci-052918-020708">this meta-analysis</a>, although the linchpin might not be diversity alone, <a href="https://academic.oup.com/esr/article/41/4/553/7914090">but</a> also <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038038516641867">segregation</a>: If a certain ethnicity is concentrated in a small area, neighborhood trust and social capital will shrink.</p><p>Looking specifically at Muslims, <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357155086_Generalised_Trust_among_Second-Generation_Muslim_and_Non-Muslim_Minority_Groups_in_Europe">this paper</a> found that 2<sup>nd</sup> generation Muslim immigrants had lower trust than their non-Muslim counterparts, and that this was due to cultural transmission rather than discrimination or exclusion.</p><p>This graph looked not at the crime, but the feeling of safety in different communes in Denmark. It then compared it to the share of people of MENAPT (Middle East, North Africa, Pakistan, Turkey) origin.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png" width="1600" height="1163" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1163,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bhJo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7feeed57-8ff3-4c51-80db-b9533c389f1f_1600x1163.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>This reflects the idea of lower trust in more diverse areas. <a href="https://x.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/2044970620052517324?s=20">Via this</a>. Note the Y axis though: It&#8217;s not like trust goes to zero, but the drop is substantial.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>There&#8217;s a real cost in social cohesion that is paid by immigration, whether that is due to Muslim immigration or that of others. In Europe, however, it&#8217;s more acute with Muslims.</p><p>Alright, let&#8217;s move to economics.</p><h1>2. The Economics</h1><h2>Employment</h2><p>Some Anglosphere countries manage to get immigrants to work more than natives, but that&#8217;s not the norm. In most countries, their unemployment is higher&#8212;in Sweden, foreign unemployment is an astonishing 2.5x the native level!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png" width="1600" height="1416" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1416,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pmM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92be3b53-1de5-45be-92f5-ea536882b647_1600x1416.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The bottom of this list represents the countries where unemployment is lowest for immigrants. They&#8217;re all part of the Anglosphere (US, Australia, Ireland, Canada, UK).</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This immigration has many different origins, but when we zoom in to Muslims, the data holds (here, employment rate rather than unemployment rate).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!peU-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845ecd05-7859-432a-8cf1-9be628c52194_1311x975.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!peU-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845ecd05-7859-432a-8cf1-9be628c52194_1311x975.png 424w, 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stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Those who are not immigrants are mostly 2nd generation immigrants, so these numbers capture the long-term unemployment of immigrants.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>One reason for these differences is regulatory. The US makes it easy for foreigners to start working immediately&#8212;they even penalize them if they don&#8217;t. Others make it very hard, and might even support not working by giving welfare&#8212;in some cases, at higher levels than to locals. This is important in the short term, but also the very long term, because the first months after arrival are crucial. If you establish yourself in a system where you have to work and you must meet and socialize with locals to do so, you&#8217;re more likely to be integrated and continue working. But if you can&#8217;t work, you&#8217;ll stay more with family and other compatriots, and you&#8217;ll get used to a lifestyle where you don&#8217;t have to work.</p><p>Another reason might be education. US Muslims are <em>more educated</em> than the average American.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png" width="566" height="494.479302832244" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:802,&quot;width&quot;:918,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:566,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GDEN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f6014ef-0c0e-4386-abd2-d57fb83daec0_918x802.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/18/how-us-muslims-compare-with-other-americans-religiously-and-demographically/">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>In part, this is because the US attracts high-education Muslim immigrants.</p><p>So that&#8217;s the destination effect. But the origin effect also matters.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-_5m!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ef9036c-d833-4411-983d-149f97831905_1600x978.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-_5m!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ef9036c-d833-4411-983d-149f97831905_1600x978.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-_5m!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ef9036c-d833-4411-983d-149f97831905_1600x978.png 848w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.regjeringen.no/no/dokumenter/nou-2017-2/id2536701/">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>We can see a breakdown of the problem from some data from Spain.</p><h3>Spain</h3><p>In Spain, where the vast majority of African immigrants are Muslim, their employment rate is substantially lower than that of locals or Latin American immigrants.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png" width="1600" height="572" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:572,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bofa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41015446-1063-48ce-8123-ba08dbdb48aa_1600x572.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/en/analyses/immigration-and-the-employment-market-in-spain-iii-africans/">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This is driven basically by the fact that Muslim women generally stay at home</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png" width="1600" height="867" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:867,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cf3v!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59f3a253-9a35-4469-99b7-881da411b5c4_1600x867.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is the activity rate, which counts those with a job or looking for one. What if we look at actual work rates?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png" width="1600" height="1534" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1534,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G_N6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dc51434-eb1a-4ee7-866d-1f4d881598ed_1600x1534.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Both men and women immigrants work less than natives. Muslim men work more than non-Muslim foreigners. But only 30% of Muslim women are employed!</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The type of work also matters. The education rate of MENA (Middle East and North Africa) immigrants in Spain is substantially lower than that of locals or other immigrants.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bws0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9692887e-68fe-4eb7-a63f-3cffe70e2637_1590x910.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bws0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9692887e-68fe-4eb7-a63f-3cffe70e2637_1590x910.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bws0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9692887e-68fe-4eb7-a63f-3cffe70e2637_1590x910.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bws0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9692887e-68fe-4eb7-a63f-3cffe70e2637_1590x910.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bws0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9692887e-68fe-4eb7-a63f-3cffe70e2637_1590x910.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bws0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9692887e-68fe-4eb7-a63f-3cffe70e2637_1590x910.png" width="1590" height="910" 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>UK</h3><p>In the UK, Muslims are 2.2x less employed than the average of the population.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png" width="510" height="647.5763962065332" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C2Uu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7658281-4433-4028-8c8e-7ccd4b67f388_949x1205.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And <em>unemployed</em> actually hides the true impact, because many who don&#8217;t work don&#8217;t appear in these statistics, if they&#8217;re not actively looking for a job.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png" width="1496" height="1436" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1436,&quot;width&quot;:1496,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iukK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d5d636a-b88c-48c2-9767-ece49cbe9ed6_1496x1436.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religionbyhousinghealthemploymentandeducationenglandandwales/census2021">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Muslims also tend to have lower-paying jobs:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mrAN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9d76298f-20e2-471f-9fa1-83880c94aa8f_1436x1562.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mrAN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9d76298f-20e2-471f-9fa1-83880c94aa8f_1436x1562.png" width="1436" height="1562" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9d76298f-20e2-471f-9fa1-83880c94aa8f_1436x1562.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1562,&quot;width&quot;:1436,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religionbyhousinghealthemploymentandeducationenglandandwales/census2021">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Among other reasons, because they have less education:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png" width="1492" height="1284" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1284,&quot;width&quot;:1492,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_FY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9628897e-065f-4f62-9c9b-0d3dc0812dd5_1492x1284.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religionbyhousinghealthemploymentandeducationenglandandwales/census2021">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>We see the same impact of lower female participation:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png" width="1600" height="968" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:968,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sX0M!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F947f5e91-c43a-4c14-8609-f6ec2ec038a0_1600x968.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmwomeq/89/89.pdf">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>And this data shows this is not an effect of age. In the UK, Arabs and Pakistanis are substantially less employed than any other ethnicity, and the gap for women is astonishing.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png" width="1600" height="700" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:700,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Semz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7167a1d6-5c4d-444a-858d-a7a3a3b37ac0_1600x700.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>At their peak, only 50% of Arabs in the UK are working!</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Germany</h3><p>Germany is interesting because the data is slightly different. We again see female Muslims with a very low employment rate. But men are slightly more likely to work than immigrants of other nationalities.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png" width="1200" height="645.3488372093024" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:740,&quot;width&quot;:1376,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i13!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92cef5c4-5e3f-420f-8fac-2af89d7a19c8_1376x740.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/EN/Forschung/Forschungsberichte/Kurzberichte/fb38-muslimisches-leben-kurzfassung.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&amp;v=14">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>On balance, it looks like the two big contributors to lower work participation rate are immigration and, within that, Islam.</p><h3>France</h3><p>In France, the unemployment rate of African immigrants is more than twice that of locals, and it gets <em>worse</em> in the 2<sup>nd</sup> generation.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png" width="1200" height="622.5" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:830,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rjuQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b6143be-e74a-4184-8119-ed7e46071ec6_1600x830.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>~80% of African immigrants to France are Muslim</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The shares of social housing (so, welfare) remain extremely high for the children of immigrants, and poverty rates remain quite high, too.</p><h3>US</h3><p>In the US, Muslim immigrants are more educated than the average American. However, they tend to be somewhat underemployed compared to Americans. The difference is not massive though.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png" width="1309" height="1291" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1291,&quot;width&quot;:1309,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMg6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7150013a-da25-4677-a587-0f80880cd805_1309x1291.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Unemployed means no job but looking for one</em>. </figcaption></figure></div><p>OK so what we&#8217;re seeing for Muslim immigrants is that those in Europe tend to have lower education than natives, and they also work less. About 50-70% of the men of working age work, and the number for women is usually about half of that. For the US, I don&#8217;t have more granular data, but it doesn&#8217;t look like these hold.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><p>Now, let&#8217;s look at state contributions: net costs vs benefits in terms of taxes contributed vs spent.</p><h2>Fiscal Cost-Benefit</h2><h3>Denmark</h3><p>Denmark has some of the best data on this topic, so let&#8217;s look at it. I shared this before:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png" width="1200" height="595.5" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REm3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ac91097-965c-47bb-8177-90737ded0a29_1600x794.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Somalia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, ex-Yugoslavia (some Muslims), Morocco, Turkey, Pakistan, Bosnia (half Muslim), Iran and Sri Lanka immigrants are all net negative tax contributors in Denmark.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Because of this, every year Denmark spends <a href="https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/immigration-economics-for-economist">1.3%</a> of its GDP in supporting MENAPT immigrants&#8212;about half the public budget spent on education. This is <em>just</em> to support these immigrants fiscally. This graph from The Economist shows the breakdown per age, compared to other types of Danish people:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png" width="608" height="662" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:662,&quot;width&quot;:608,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!026W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3723473-1f5f-422f-9a99-94f1b34d6d3d_608x662.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Before adolescence, natives and immigrants in Denmark cost the state approximately the same amount. Then they start diverging. Between roughly 25 and 68 years old, Danes and Western immigrants contribute positively to the state through taxes. After retirement, the contribution is increasingly negative. The hope is that the earning years generate more money than the cost years (so the surface above the &#8220;0&#8221; line in the middle years is higher than the surface below it as children and old people). Non-Western immigrants don&#8217;t contribute as much, but the most expensive in Denmark are those from the Middle East, North Africa, Pakistan and Turkey, as well as their descendants. </em><a href="https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/12/18/why-have-danes-turned-against-immigration">Source</a>.</figcaption></figure></div><p>At <strong>no age </strong>do MENAPT immigrants contribute positively to the state. If you break that down per country of origin:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png" width="1200" height="1200" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1200,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rwhc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb6255f-4fb5-4454-9fb6-de16dbe2dfb6_1200x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>MENAPT are not the only immigrants to cost the state, but they cost the most. Every Somalian<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a> costs $27k per year!</p><h3>Netherlands</h3><p><a href="https://demo-demo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Borderless_Welfare_State-2.pdf">This</a> is the most massive study I&#8217;ve seen for any country on earth on the fiscal impact of immigrants. In it, the Netherlands shows fiscal contribution per country of origin (like in Denmark), but over their lifetime instead of per year, and for 1st and 2nd generation immigrants. Here it is, shown on a map of the world:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png" width="1600" height="1000" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1000,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5L6n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e3d1c45-5de2-4cd1-9b4f-ce5364dba736_1600x1000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Lifetime net fiscal contribution of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to the Netherlands. Note that many eventually repatriate to their origin countries, which reduces their tax burden. For immigrants who remain, the cost across both generations is approximately double. <a href="https://demo-demo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Borderless_Welfare_State-2.pdf">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>And here&#8217;s a detail per country/small region:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ts8Z!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2cfe42e6-10f0-4cf1-abf8-7b831ad1ea60_1600x1197.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ts8Z!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2cfe42e6-10f0-4cf1-abf8-7b831ad1ea60_1600x1197.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ts8Z!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2cfe42e6-10f0-4cf1-abf8-7b831ad1ea60_1600x1197.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ts8Z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2cfe42e6-10f0-4cf1-abf8-7b831ad1ea60_1600x1197.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ts8Z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2cfe42e6-10f0-4cf1-abf8-7b831ad1ea60_1600x1197.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><blockquote><p><em>An average native-born Dutch family pays five thousand euros in taxes per year that end up being spent on immigrants.</em></p></blockquote><p>A surprising fact: For the 2<sup>nd</sup> generation of immigrants, only those of Danish, Swedish, Finnish, and Chinese background were net positive. Every other origin drained state coffers rather than contributing to them.</p><p>Why? Here&#8217;s the share of benefit recipients vs the likelihood of them leaving within 10 years of arriving:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png" width="1600" height="795" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:795,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saVz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272034e9-d4ce-49dd-a7a6-6b86ffb4ac21_1600x795.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://demo-demo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Borderless_Welfare_State-2.pdf">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The most likely to ask for welfare support are the least likely to leave.</p><h3>Finland</h3><p>This is for Finland:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png" width="498" height="622.5" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:2000,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:498,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ze_m!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1394e508-4134-4343-9fc4-66abc77c77b3_1600x2000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Here&#8217;s a breakdown per country:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lbeP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26986236-5a76-454a-b734-2c20f4162e01_1280x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lbeP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26986236-5a76-454a-b734-2c20f4162e01_1280x1600.png" width="423" height="528.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/26986236-5a76-454a-b734-2c20f4162e01_1280x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1600,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:423,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lbeP!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26986236-5a76-454a-b734-2c20f4162e01_1280x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lbeP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26986236-5a76-454a-b734-2c20f4162e01_1280x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lbeP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26986236-5a76-454a-b734-2c20f4162e01_1280x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lbeP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26986236-5a76-454a-b734-2c20f4162e01_1280x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Portugal</h3><p>The data that we have for Denmark, Finland, and the Netherlands isn&#8217;t as readily available for other countries. Portugal has data per person per country, but only tax contributions, not welfare costs.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png" width="1600" height="1084" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1084,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBmO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F05912115-3220-4959-a79a-627ad5d8dc1e_1600x1084.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Here, we can&#8217;t see Muslims, because only 0.4% of the Portuguese population is Muslim. They don&#8217;t tend to immigrate to Portugal.</p><p>So if we summarize the economic side, Muslim immigrants to Europe, compared to locals, tend to:</p><ul><li><p>Work less</p></li><li><p>Have lower levels of skill</p></li><li><p>Consume much more welfare</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-criminal-socialm-and-economic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h1>Takeaways: What Should the EU Do?</h1><p>The takeaway so far is that in Europe, immigrants:</p><ul><li><p>Work less than the average native.</p></li><li><p>After locals, the next most productive are EU citizens. The least productive tend to be Muslims</p><ul><li><p>This is in a big part because of women not working, but not entirely.</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Immigrants are nearly always fiscally expensive.</p><ul><li><p>Muslim immigrants cost in general more money to the state.</p></li><li><p>This cost isn&#8217;t erased at the 2<sup>nd</sup> generation.</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Immigrants commit substantially more crime than any other group.</p><ul><li><p>Across destination countries, Muslims commit the most crime.</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Islamists are behind most of the terrorism.</p></li><li><p>Immigration reduces local trust and social capital, probably more due to segregation than other factors, but also because of cultural transmission.</p><ul><li><p>Again, it seems like this is more true of Muslim immigrants than others.</p></li></ul></li></ul><p>Does that mean that massive waves of deportations should take place in Europe? No:</p><ol><li><p>Europe needs immigrants.</p></li><li><p>Many countries are quite good at taking in immigrants.</p></li><li><p>Many immigrants take several generations to converge to local performance.</p></li><li><p>The numbers above are not complete. They&#8217;re missing some other factors.</p></li><li><p>A large part of the problem is caused not by the immigrants, but by European legislation.</p></li><li><p>Not all immigrants are the same. They should be treated differently.</p></li></ol><p>These are the things we&#8217;re going to look at in the next article.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The exceptions are Spain and Portugal, which get more from Latin America, and the countries that received a lot of Ukrainians, like Poland. Data from <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/migr_resfirst__custom_12777090/bookmark/table?lang=en&amp;bookmarkId=7afcf81b-4595-463a-baa9-1cc9c9820ed3&amp;c=1725542114707">Eurostat</a>.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>One or more, as repeats were not counted.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>In the case of Albania, it&#8217;s a plurality, not a majority. Spain appears to have a serious problem with Albanians. They account for only 0.1% of foreigners, but 2.5% of criminals in prison.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>In the Netherlands, the biggest sources of immigrants are Indonesians and Surinamese. I don&#8217;t know the baseline crime rate of Surinamese, but for Indonesians it&#8217;s very low in Germany, so I assess it&#8217;s very low in the Netherlands too. The next two groups are Turks and Moroccans. Given their track record in other countries, it&#8217;s reasonable to estimate they have a high crime rate in the Netherlands too.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Immigrant Muslims have more education than the average American, and they work just a bit less, which suggests both men and women Muslim immigrants work more than in Europe.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Usually included in the definition, even though it belongs to neither North Africa nor the Middle East. But it&#8217;s close by and also majority Muslim.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What Immigrants Should the West Accept?]]></title><description><![CDATA[The ROI of immigration, productivity, identity, crime, housing pressure, national cohesion, secularism, terrorism, and elite competence]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-immigrants-should-the-west-accept</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-immigrants-should-the-west-accept</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2026 12:02:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N78r!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10f66a4b-67b5-44a8-b5d4-48462fc8e3e0_1600x1000.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a backlash on immigration across the US, Europe, and Japan right now. How did we get here? Why did politicians open the gates? Were they right?</p><h1>1. The Fear</h1><p>Maybe you&#8217;ve seen a graph like this one:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bm1U!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf537c72-b2fe-4e27-9327-2993d3e7d5cb_1310x1176.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bm1U!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf537c72-b2fe-4e27-9327-2993d3e7d5cb_1310x1176.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bm1U!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf537c72-b2fe-4e27-9327-2993d3e7d5cb_1310x1176.png 848w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Sexual violence has doubled in the last 10 years in the EU. <a href="https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/05/05/sexual-violence-and-rape-offences-are-rising-in-the-eu-new-data-shows">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>If we look at a few European countries individually, it looks like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ligl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef0edf82-dc42-4658-9e5a-6c42156805a4_1600x1286.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ligl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef0edf82-dc42-4658-9e5a-6c42156805a4_1600x1286.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ligl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef0edf82-dc42-4658-9e5a-6c42156805a4_1600x1286.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ligl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef0edf82-dc42-4658-9e5a-6c42156805a4_1600x1286.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ligl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef0edf82-dc42-4658-9e5a-6c42156805a4_1600x1286.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>When seeking a culprit, immigration springs to many people&#8217;s minds:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png" width="1600" height="2000" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:2000,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iD0n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F874052a0-f7d7-4896-a19f-072c5906b01d_1600x2000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This leads to fears of replacement. And viral videos like this one appear, to make the stats feel more visceral and associate immigration with disease:</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;6ce2d473-e7c2-475f-98c8-792f9308a7d3&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>They think maybe the increase in sexual violence in Europe is due to immigrants. Then they stumble on data like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lTDT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F921e3c94-5135-4f79-8148-7b406ddf6ce9_1600x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lTDT!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F921e3c94-5135-4f79-8148-7b406ddf6ce9_1600x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lTDT!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F921e3c94-5135-4f79-8148-7b406ddf6ce9_1600x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lTDT!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F921e3c94-5135-4f79-8148-7b406ddf6ce9_1600x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lTDT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F921e3c94-5135-4f79-8148-7b406ddf6ce9_1600x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lTDT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F921e3c94-5135-4f79-8148-7b406ddf6ce9_1600x1200.png" width="1600" height="1200" 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stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>They conclude that immigrants drive a majority of crime in the West. </p><p>In parallel, they might come across data like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aVvC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb045392-1b15-4cae-a49b-1e49f4395020_1600x795.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aVvC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb045392-1b15-4cae-a49b-1e49f4395020_1600x795.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And see the two types of data from above&#8212;economics and sexual crime&#8212;combined into one:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HYb8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee975889-cc01-480f-b657-027c6a42ee5b_1079x854.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HYb8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee975889-cc01-480f-b657-027c6a42ee5b_1079x854.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: <a href="https://x.com/jonatanpallesen">Jonathan Pallesen</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>I assume most people, when presented with these graphs, either become uncomfortable, or say: <em>Let&#8217;s stop immigration immediately</em>. And that&#8217;s one of the main reasons why right-wing parties are growing across Europe:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png" width="1465" height="1277" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1277,&quot;width&quot;:1465,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ynX7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F79b12377-cf80-4f7c-8096-cf7fa0c80597_1465x1277.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: Tomas Pueyo for Uncharted Territories, data gathered by Claude.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>But that is flawed thinking:</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What Do Muslim Immigrants Think in the West?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Across the US and several European countries, opinions range from moderate to radical Islamist. How much? Where?]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslim-immigrants-think-in</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslim-immigrants-think-in</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2026 12:49:22 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_ty-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3c8b5943-4ad0-4a58-b63c-9c63fb3a05fb_1826x1411.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I&#8217;ve written several premium articles in the last couple of weeks:</em></p><ul><li><p><em><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-did-islam-spread-so-fast-in-north">Why Did Islam Spread So Fast in North Africa &amp; Spain?</a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ruthless-liquidity-of-modern">The Ruthless Liquidity of Modern Love</a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/50-learnings-from-the-war-in-iran">50 Learnings from the War in Iran</a></em></p></li></ul><p><em>The last one, from this Tuesday, is <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslims-think">What Do Muslims Believe?</a> It&#8217;s the first in the current series, and is about Muslim beliefs in Muslim countries.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p><em>Today, we focus on the beliefs of Muslims when they move to the West. This is becoming crucially important, as Muslim immigration is one of the strongest factors in European voting today. So I looked at over a dozen surveys across six countries (US, UK, France, Denmark, Germany, Austria) and condensed the insights into dozens of the most relevant charts.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></em></p><h1>1. Muslims in the US</h1><p>The best data I could find for this group is <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/07/U.S.-MUSLIMS-FULL-REPORT.pdf">this Pew Research survey from 2017</a>. What can we tell about their religiosity, morals, appreciation for democracy, feelings of belonging, and concerns about extremism?</p><h3>Religiosity</h3><p>Muslims in the US are slightly more religious than Christians.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BxUf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc810ca6e-2d88-4949-a396-25b64168ae7d_892x572.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BxUf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc810ca6e-2d88-4949-a396-25b64168ae7d_892x572.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/18/how-us-muslims-compare-with-other-americans-religiously-and-demographically/">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This religiosity can be seen in the <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-appendix-a/">share of Muslims</a> who pray every day (65%) and visit the Mosque once a week (47%). What does religiosity mean for Muslims? A key aspect is how to interpret the Quran.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png" width="1200" height="387.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:517,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGJ2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F075ef802-3f33-4487-b8ce-cb1b07ce7494_1600x517.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The question about the literal word of god comes from a <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-appendix-a/">2012 Pew Research survey</a>, the others are from the 2017 one. Grey is always doesn't know, doesn't answer. I didn&#8217;t have that data point for the first question so I assumed it was 0%.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>These things are connected. Muhammad claimed that the Angel Gabriel dictated to him the Quran, and was the literal word of God. This is why so many Muslims believe it, and why about a third think there&#8217;s only one way to interpret Islam and it shouldn&#8217;t be reinterpreted.</p><p>This is problematic because all ancient religious texts have some pretty illiberal positions, and that includes the Quran:</p><ul><li><p>Fight those who do not believe in Allah (9:29)</p></li><li><p>Disbelievers are the worst creatures (98:6)</p></li><li><p>Do not take the Jews and Christians as allies (5:51)</p></li><li><p>Men have the authority in the marriage and can strike women (4:34)</p></li><li><p>Adultery and fornication deserve 100 lashes (24:2)</p></li><li><p>Slavery is permitted (90:13 and 2:177 assume slavery exist)</p></li><li><p>Sex with slaves and captives is permitted (4:24, 23:5-6, 70:29-30)</p></li><li><p>Fighting is prescribed in certain cases, even if disliked (2:216)</p></li><li><p>Muslims should fight until religion is entirely for Allah (8:39)</p></li></ul><p>Again, this is not exclusive to Islam: <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/394262/fewer-bible-literal-word-god.aspx">20%</a> of US Christians also believe the Bible is the literal word of God, and that includes the Old Testament, with some nice pearls such as the punishment for homosexuality or adultery should be death. So the difference is not in nature, but in degree: The more literal and radical interpretations of old books is just more common among Muslims than in Christians in the US. And maybe this difference comes from the fact that Muslims have been in the US less than Christians on average?</p><p>Another important aspect of this is that non-Muslims miss a key point about the interpretability of the Quran. For example, although the Quran says men can strike women, what does <em>strike</em> mean? This requires interpretation. Some Muslims think it means a beating that leaves no marks. Others think it should not be violent or severe, like a flicker of a finger for example. Others think it should just be symbolic.</p><p>So although these data points suggest Muslims are more conservative and pious than the average American, they don&#8217;t directly imply that their morality is starkly different. For that, we need to look into morality data.</p><h3>Morality</h3><p>Muslims track with the rest of society in the evolution of attitudes towards homosexuality:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png" width="494" height="530.6724890829694" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1476,&quot;width&quot;:1374,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:494,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WDRx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8036bc98-4535-4d77-9e53-9958f221bdd3_1374x1476.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The data wasn&#8217;t broken down for the US general public in terms of religious Christians vs others, but my guess is that the US Muslim numbers track those of religious Christians.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>I&#8217;m sure that if we had the data for Christians, we&#8217;d see something similar. What I think is most telling here is how the acceptance of homosexuals among Muslims almost doubled in just 10 years. We can probably assume it&#8217;s even higher now.</p><h3>Religion vs Democracy</h3><p>A full third of US Muslims believe Islam is incompatible with democracy!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png" width="583" height="393.889375" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1081,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:583,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g6P7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe831c21d-1657-4813-a0f3-5cb4e3fd4ff7_1600x1081.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is similar to the numbers in <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslims-think">Muslim countries</a>. When we looked at these numbers across the Muslim world, we saw that this went hand in hand with authoritarianism and a desire to have religion supersede the state.</p><p>However, again, this data point is not enough. For example, we could imagine here that the majority of Muslims think democracy and Islam are compatible, and that the <em>more moderate Muslims</em> fear that it&#8217;s not, because they fear the more radical interpretations of Islam (which they don&#8217;t share), are incompatible with democracy. That&#8217;s exactly why we see 44% of the general public thinking Islam and democracy are incompatible. So we need to go deeper.</p><h3>Belonging</h3><p>In the US, Muslims are proud to be American, they&#8217;re pretty happy, and they think the system works for them.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VlSA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65f77aed-6a95-4053-968f-0da384d561f3_1246x796.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VlSA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65f77aed-6a95-4053-968f-0da384d561f3_1246x796.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>From the report: U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream, Findings from Pew Research Center&#8217;s 2017 survey of U.S. Muslims. <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/07/U.S.-MUSLIMS-FULL-REPORT.pdf">Link here</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Concerns about Extremism</h3><p>US Muslims are <strong>more</strong> concerned than the average American about extremism in the name of Islam:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XeZK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feac2bfdb-d8f8-4dde-9375-e24a82ff0d5d_1600x382.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="image-caption"><em>This is from 2017, so ISIS is still in Syria and it&#8217;s one year after the Bataclan attacks in Paris. The US is still in Afghanistan.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Even as they believe support for extremists within Islam is low:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVHL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17ab1dc6-62ce-43c1-b3b9-5580515e9c01_1600x627.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVHL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17ab1dc6-62ce-43c1-b3b9-5580515e9c01_1600x627.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Muslims in the US think targeting civilians for political purposes is never justified (much less than the average American!).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png" width="1600" height="370" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:370,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLfu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03334a7d-8421-4d36-8f27-5aaff4fc2260_1600x370.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Is targeting civilians for political purposes ever justified? <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/18/how-us-muslims-compare-with-other-americans-religiously-and-demographically/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>In other words, US Muslims are mostly moderate, most don&#8217;t support extremism, but they realize some Muslims do, and that worries the moderates.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png" width="594" height="388.69875" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1047,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:594,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9-Pd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6b48b69a-14da-416b-8345-58e0c6829ba5_1600x1047.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In summary, the picture in the US is encouraging. Although Muslims seem to be pious, their beliefs seem reasonably well integrated with those of the broader public. They believe in democracy and don&#8217;t believe in extremism. But a sizable minority believes Islam should be interpreted traditionally and that it has a natural conflict with democracy, while Muslims suspect there&#8217;s a sizable share of extremists among them, and that worries them.</p><p>Alas, the picture in Europe is not as good.</p><h1>2. Muslims in Europe</h1><p>Across Europe, most Muslims identify either only with the host country or with both the host and the origin countries.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZhLQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23552ffa-1aa5-441a-ba77-ac979e6e545c_1600x1058.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZhLQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23552ffa-1aa5-441a-ba77-ac979e6e545c_1600x1058.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/BSt/Publikationen/GrauePublikationen/Study_LW_Religion-Monitor-2017_Muslims-in-Europe_Results-and-Country-Profiles.pdf">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Muslims are more religious than the rest of the population.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W0_t!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e65f2f-35eb-4309-988c-35c59b669218_1600x1238.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Highly religious Muslims are 6x more religious than natives in the UK, but equally religious in Switzerland</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>A <a href="https://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migration-and-diversity/migration-integration-transnationalization/projects/six-country-immigrant-integration-comparative-survey-sciics">survey</a> across six European countries<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> on immigrant integration produced several interesting papers. <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1369183X.2014.935307">This one</a> looked at how religiosity was connected to out-group hostility. Muslim immigrants and their children were substantially more fundamentalist than their Christian counterparts.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png" width="1600" height="1475" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1475,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKMS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c08b364-d75a-48ca-80fa-e62ea96e1028_1600x1475.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The 2nd generation is less fundamentalist, but still quite sizably so. If there was a cliff for the 3rd generation, that would be encouraging. Note that in this survey, there&#8217;s a confounder, which is that the Muslims are mostly immigrants and 2nd generation, whereas Christians are natives. Ideally, we would compare natives to natives, but we can&#8217;t here. That said, this is still a valid marker for integration ability.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Now, religious fundamentalism is not a problem by itself. Everybody can choose their own way of life. It&#8217;s only problematic if it has consequences for others, and unfortunately here there are, as Muslim fundamentalism includes respecting religious laws before secular ones, among other things. So what are Muslims&#8217; attitudes on homosexuality, Judaism, and the conflict between the West and Islam?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q0oq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9968a996-25be-4226-9ca7-21832e211a32_1600x1388.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q0oq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9968a996-25be-4226-9ca7-21832e211a32_1600x1388.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q0oq!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9968a996-25be-4226-9ca7-21832e211a32_1600x1388.png 848w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>To note, more than half of 2nd generation Muslims think the West is out to destroy Islam.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>I found the next graph quite interesting.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!A-ym!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F431b823e-16af-424f-babf-53b4bf4d1136_1600x1141.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!A-ym!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F431b823e-16af-424f-babf-53b4bf4d1136_1600x1141.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Fundamentalist Christians were as hostile to Jews and homosexuals as non-religious Muslims!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> This means that, in Europe, the hostility towards non-Muslim groups is not just a result of religiousness and piety.</p><h2>UK</h2><p>People tend to blur the immigrants of all European countries, but the immigrant populations don&#8217;t typically have the same origin:</p><ul><li><p>Spain has mostly Moroccans</p></li><li><p>France has Moroccans, Algerians, and Tunisians</p></li><li><p>In Germany, Turks and Syrians prevail</p></li><li><p>In the UK, 80% of Muslims are South Asians (54% Pakistani, 18% Bangladeshi, 9% Indian)</p></li></ul><p>This means that survey results will differ.</p><p><a href="https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/unsettled-belonging-a-survey-of-britains-muslim-communities/">This UK survey</a> from 2016<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> showed that over 90% of Muslims felt they belonged to Britain either very (55%) or fairly (38%) strongly. However, when <a href="https://iifl.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Report_Belonging-Belief-and-Britishness_Institute-for-Impact-of-Faith-in-Life.pdf">asked in this more recent survey</a> (2025) whether they feel more Muslim than British, a majority said Muslim.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TvLG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8bc1fa0-b757-4cfb-87e7-51db0dbd249f_1600x1197.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TvLG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8bc1fa0-b757-4cfb-87e7-51db0dbd249f_1600x1197.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>This is corroborated in <a href="https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Understanding-Islamopopulism_.pdf">this other 2026 survey</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>What do Muslims think about the compatibility of Western values and Islam? Channel 4 commissioned <a href="https://www.channel4.com/news/media/pdfs/top_lines.pdf">a survey</a> of 1000 British Muslims in 2016 (comparing them to non-Muslims).<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> It found that 66% of Muslims thought Islam and Western democracy were compatible, but 22% of Muslims didn&#8217;t think so.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RN36!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd66c0ec1-89ad-486e-aba3-a2fd3e8c8f2a_1600x413.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>If you remember, the data for the US was a bit higher, 30%</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>A bigger share of Muslims thought Islamic values are not compatible with British values (the previous graph was for democracy).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!phQN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fad8067bd-0646-4ab8-8016-5b64775fbb98_1600x373.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="image-caption"><em>Again, this could be not because Muslims think their values are incompatible with British values, but because they fear the values of more radical Muslims than them are incompatible.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>38% of British Muslims would support introducing some elements of Sharia law.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png" width="1600" height="470" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:470,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ya36!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6ca4b5e-a0dc-4e68-8079-5752e303999c_1600x470.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is broadly aligned with the findings of the <a href="https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/unsettled-belonging-a-survey-of-britains-muslim-communities/">other survey</a> I mentioned above, where 42% support the introduction of some aspects of Sharia law in the UK.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png" width="528" height="364.3076923076923" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:592,&quot;width&quot;:858,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:528,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0g0V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd7e45f-d64f-4f99-a795-16507395d70b_858x592.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Unlike in France, support from young Muslims tends to be lower than from older Muslims.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>As we said, Sharia means a lot of things. One is finance:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QcTr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c64474b-b781-4da0-9429-e7c652f8c425_862x604.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QcTr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c64474b-b781-4da0-9429-e7c652f8c425_862x604.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QcTr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c64474b-b781-4da0-9429-e7c652f8c425_862x604.png 848w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QcTr!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c64474b-b781-4da0-9429-e7c652f8c425_862x604.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QcTr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c64474b-b781-4da0-9429-e7c652f8c425_862x604.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QcTr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c64474b-b781-4da0-9429-e7c652f8c425_862x604.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHWH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44a0a13c-c0ae-476d-bcff-e39529af7270_1600x866.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHWH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44a0a13c-c0ae-476d-bcff-e39529af7270_1600x866.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHWH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44a0a13c-c0ae-476d-bcff-e39529af7270_1600x866.png" width="1600" height="866" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHWH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44a0a13c-c0ae-476d-bcff-e39529af7270_1600x866.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHWH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44a0a13c-c0ae-476d-bcff-e39529af7270_1600x866.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHWH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44a0a13c-c0ae-476d-bcff-e39529af7270_1600x866.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>This data comes from the <a href="https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/unsettled-belonging-a-survey-of-britains-muslim-communities/">same survey</a>, but was not graphed, so I used Claude to graph it. The control group is the general population in the UK.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>I have mixed feelings about this one. I think Muslims should be able to teach their children about Islam, and although I personally dislike gender-segregated education, I understand why they might prefer it (like some Christians have gender-segregated schools, too). Some Western schools have gendered dress codes&#8212;including differences for boys and girls, even in non-religious schools&#8212;so I don&#8217;t mind that Muslims would like this for their children.</p><p>I am more concerned about these:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png" width="1600" height="987" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:987,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rbSl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9244e0-d76f-4de7-b2a4-d40766177f97_1600x987.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HJS-Deck-200324-Final.pdf">Source</a> for the data, graph mine</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>These are not about a community that has its own customs and traditions, but about imposing their values on everyone else.</p><p>By far the most worrisome to me here is the illegality of publishing a picture of Prophet Muhammad. I get that this is anathema to Muslims (as is Satanism worship for Christians), but maybe the single most important value of the West is the freedom of speech, which by definition means <em>you should be OK with others saying things you disagree with</em>.<em> <strong>Especially</strong> things you dislike.</em></p><h3>British Muslims Attitudes towards Violence</h3><p>I think what matters most is the relationship to violence. 13% of Muslims think that Islam poses a threat to British national security.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3z_8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02d2a516-f65f-4a41-80ff-5a13239750c1_1600x416.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3z_8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02d2a516-f65f-4a41-80ff-5a13239750c1_1600x416.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3z_8!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02d2a516-f65f-4a41-80ff-5a13239750c1_1600x416.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3z_8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02d2a516-f65f-4a41-80ff-5a13239750c1_1600x416.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3z_8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02d2a516-f65f-4a41-80ff-5a13239750c1_1600x416.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3z_8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02d2a516-f65f-4a41-80ff-5a13239750c1_1600x416.png" width="1600" height="416" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/02d2a516-f65f-4a41-80ff-5a13239750c1_1600x416.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:416,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And 23% think criticism of Islam is justified.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k-Ma!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb57d775d-8fc8-4e0d-ace9-f94707edb10c_1600x428.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I find these data points interesting. The numbers are not so different from those of the general public, which I think means several things:</p><ul><li><p>Some Muslims see a threat, and think it should be addressed.</p></li><li><p>Others prefer to see the bright side of Islam and don&#8217;t see a problem.</p></li><li><p>Some might prefer to believe that Muslims are problematic, but that is justified, as a reaction from a racist UK. They don&#8217;t want to overblame Muslims for any conflict.</p></li></ul><p>This is consistent with the British Muslim condemnation of violence, which is higher than for natives.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png" width="1224" height="560" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wxVQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd578c00-65af-4ffa-bfbb-c1d9549cc388_1224x560.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Nearly half of Muslims think we should do more to combat extremism.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kmT1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dc3f88f-cf01-4365-8570-c6a92e583e69_1370x1030.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kmT1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dc3f88f-cf01-4365-8570-c6a92e583e69_1370x1030.png 424w, 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stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>A sizable share of Muslims think Muslims should be the ones to tackle their own radicalization.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Qhj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69585b8c-687c-481f-9b89-5a376e9aa62d_728x652.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Qhj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69585b8c-687c-481f-9b89-5a376e9aa62d_728x652.png 424w, 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stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The following data point is one of the most concerning: only 4% of British Muslims think Al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!69Dx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd6b83b9f-18da-42d9-bbeb-b40e98646987_1276x1312.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!69Dx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd6b83b9f-18da-42d9-bbeb-b40e98646987_1276x1312.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!69Dx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd6b83b9f-18da-42d9-bbeb-b40e98646987_1276x1312.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!69Dx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd6b83b9f-18da-42d9-bbeb-b40e98646987_1276x1312.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!69Dx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd6b83b9f-18da-42d9-bbeb-b40e98646987_1276x1312.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>In most Muslim countries, the belief that Al Qaeda is behind the attacks <a href="https://worldpublicopinion.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf">was above 20% in 2008,</a> although in Pakistan it was 4%, so this could be more imported radicalism than local radicalization. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This reminds me of positions on Jews, Israel, and October 7<sup>th</sup> 2023. According to <a href="https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HJS-Deck-200324-Final.pdf">this 2024 survey</a>,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a> Muslims are 2-3x more likely than the general public to think Jews have too much power in finance, media, foreign policy, pharma&#8212;across the UK and the US. Also:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png" width="1466" height="1166" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1166,&quot;width&quot;:1466,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTAY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccfb2e4f-0da2-45fa-978c-dc9d2f4685d9_1466x1166.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: data from the <a href="https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HJS-Deck-200324-Final.pdf">HJS survey, 2024</a>. Graph mine.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Two recent surveys from 2026 have shown data that is also concerning.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png" width="1600" height="1279" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1279,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbnH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2e83ea9-2f5a-407c-978a-1ebe5d9527bb_1600x1279.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Share of people who have a favorable opinion of a country minus share of people who have an unfavorable opinion. For the UK and its historic allies / liberal democracies (US / Israel), the difference is in degree: Muslims have a worse opinion than the general public, even though it goes in the same direction as the general public. For the UK&#8217;s traditional opponents, the direction is the opposite and the gap is the largest. <a href="https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/worlds-apart-british-muslim-attitudes-on-the-iran-conflict/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>All the authoritarian regimes opposed to Western values (China, Russia, Iran) are highly supported by British Muslims: between 44 and 64 points of difference from the general public!</p><p>What about beliefs?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_ty-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3c8b5943-4ad0-4a58-b63c-9c63fb3a05fb_1826x1411.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p></p><p>This is where Muslims and the general British public differ the most:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no_2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70c7d600-8ed3-42ac-ac71-a198f78587e2_1600x1106.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no_2!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70c7d600-8ed3-42ac-ac71-a198f78587e2_1600x1106.png" width="1004" height="694.015" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/70c7d600-8ed3-42ac-ac71-a198f78587e2_1600x1106.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1106,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1004,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Thanks to <a href="https://x.com/_alice_evans">Dr Alice Evans</a> for this, probably the world&#8217;s foremost scholar on women&#8217;s rights.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>To note, these positions tend to be shared by both men and women in Islam&#8212;except for what directly affects wives:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H-5e!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa39579cf-dc19-40d2-998a-51c4584164bc_1600x1055.png" 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But a sizable share of British Muslims seem to want to impose some aspects of their customs on the rest of society. Some Muslims are radical: 10% to 25% of UK Muslims have quite radical views on violence and terrorism, and 30% to 60% want to impose some of their beliefs on the rest of society. Bleak. Many moderates agree Muslims should do more to fight them.</p><h2>France</h2><p>One of the most recent, in-depth surveys of Muslim attitudes in Western countries is the <a href="https://www.ifop.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/analyse_ifop_2025.11.18.pdf">2025 survey</a> from the non-partisan<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_fran%C3%A7ais_d%27opinion_publique">IFOP</a>. It found that Islam is growing in France, now comprising 7% of the population.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hYwI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6930749b-f87e-4cdd-8d24-6fce45a58c35_1600x930.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hYwI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6930749b-f87e-4cdd-8d24-6fce45a58c35_1600x930.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hYwI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6930749b-f87e-4cdd-8d24-6fce45a58c35_1600x930.png 848w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em><a href="https://www.ifop.com/en/article/current-state-of-muslims-relationship-with-islam-and-islamism-in-france">Source</a></em></p><p>Of all French Muslims, 80% feel religious (87% for young people), and 24% are very or extremely religious.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_PB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1cf4f5c-83ba-43a7-8223-32c4c64096c3_1600x969.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_PB!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1cf4f5c-83ba-43a7-8223-32c4c64096c3_1600x969.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_PB!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1cf4f5c-83ba-43a7-8223-32c4c64096c3_1600x969.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_PB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1cf4f5c-83ba-43a7-8223-32c4c64096c3_1600x969.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_PB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1cf4f5c-83ba-43a7-8223-32c4c64096c3_1600x969.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_PB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1cf4f5c-83ba-43a7-8223-32c4c64096c3_1600x969.png" width="1600" height="969" 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stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>76% of French Muslims consider themselves religious, but that goes up to <strong>87%</strong> amoung young French Muslims</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>These numbers don&#8217;t change much based on origin, job, sex, and many other variables. Surprisingly, French Muslims whose father was also French (so most likely 3<sup>rd</sup> generation) are <em>more likely</em> to be religious&#8230;</p><p>Over time, and as the share of Muslims grows, their religiosity <em>increases</em>:</p><ul><li><p>French-born Muslims are more likely to be very or extremely religious (23%) than Maghreb-born Muslims (21%).</p></li><li><p>The young are 150% more likely to be very or extremely religious vs those over 50 years old.</p></li><li><p>Over time French Muslims tend to pray more (100% more in the last 30 years), and go more frequently to the mosque (120%).</p></li><li><p>The share of French Muslim women who wear the hijab has nearly tripled, from 16% in 2003 to 45% in 2025. 59% of them wear it because of pressure or risk of not wearing it.</p></li><li><p>In 1998, only 19% of French Muslims thought religion was more right than science on the story of the creation of the world. Now, 65% think religion is right. For young Muslims, it&#8217;s 81%.</p></li><li><p>In 1998, 48% of French Muslims wanted Islam to modernize. Now, only 21% do.</p></li></ul><p>Now, as we said, religion by itself doesn&#8217;t tell us anything. People should be free to follow any religion they want, as long as it doesn&#8217;t impinge on others&#8217; rights. So what does the survey say about that?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NKpH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fed0736de-296d-419f-9205-aa987652a0c9_2437x1406.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NKpH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fed0736de-296d-419f-9205-aa987652a0c9_2437x1406.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NKpH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fed0736de-296d-419f-9205-aa987652a0c9_2437x1406.png 848w, 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But a large share of French Muslims (including a majority of youngsters) would prefer the entire country to follow Sharia.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism">Islamism</a> is incompatible with the West, as it believes it&#8217;s superior and should supplant it. Over a third of French Muslims support it in some form or another. 24% support the Muslim Brotherhood. 8% support all Islamist positions!</p></li><li><p>Freedom of religion is at the heart of the West, but 20% of Muslims disagree! As a reminder, in Islam, the punishment for apostasy is death.</p></li><li><p>The equality of all people is another cornerstone of the West, but several French Muslim positions are incompatible with it, as over 10% of Muslims don&#8217;t want to shake hands with people from the other sex, or share swimming pools with them.</p></li></ul><h2>Denmark</h2><p><a href="https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8145237/Muslimske-stemmer-Alle-meningsm%C3%A5lingerne/">This 2015 survey</a> from <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/69eb79a8-5df4-8386-a05e-8889ee1ae328">the</a> <a href="https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=2047678287988543959">non</a>-<a href="https://claude.ai/share/3e490b30-1bda-4f4b-920a-17ea69cc1bdc">partisan</a> Wilke company asked Danish Muslims what they thought about different topics:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This data again supports the idea that Muslims there are pretty conservative, but these beliefs don&#8217;t impinge on others&#8217; rights. This should be acceptable.</p><p>As we&#8217;ve seen previously, most think Islam and democracy are compatible.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png" width="508" height="283.2598039215686" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:455,&quot;width&quot;:816,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:508,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wVTh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7578d3d0-c128-4284-b9e7-4b7ba31bb630_816x455.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Green: Yes. Red: No.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Again, we find that Muslims think the Quran should be interpreted pretty literally.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png" width="550" height="263.7468030690537" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:375,&quot;width&quot;:782,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:550,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qi5p!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e9c9210-614d-4251-aeb9-47908b88bd30_782x375.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is concerning: Not only do &#190; of Muslims think this, but that share grew since 2006. And they believe instructions should be followed so fully that 11% of Muslims think the Quran should be the foundation of <strong>all</strong> legislation in Denmark.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sr-O!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4bab0b33-997b-47a1-85c3-2eb92ad019cf_1105x442.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sr-O!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4bab0b33-997b-47a1-85c3-2eb92ad019cf_1105x442.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53rR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb4bb123-0000-4743-a753-1262fa4772c0_1205x750.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53rR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb4bb123-0000-4743-a753-1262fa4772c0_1205x750.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53rR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb4bb123-0000-4743-a753-1262fa4772c0_1205x750.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The vast majority of Muslims want their children to eat halal food at school.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png" width="1600" height="519" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:519,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_EFe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F118b4d60-e906-44d2-8cba-00a88e48145f_1600x519.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>If that&#8217;s what you want for yourself, I think it&#8217;s fair. If you&#8217;re benefiting from the facilities, institutions, and habits of society, it might be too expensive to provide halal food everywhere, so Danish Muslims should not <em>demand</em> it, but they can certainly ask for it. And if there&#8217;s a big contingent of Muslims in a certain area and it&#8217;s easy to cater to both Muslims and non-Muslims, why not?</p><p>But also, let&#8217;s not assume this comes at no cost. Halal food reduces diversity, as it eliminates all pork and alcohol from food, including all its derivatives (lard, bacon, gelatin, marshmallows, cooking with alcohol, some desserts) and makes it more expensive.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a></p><p>Now let&#8217;s dive into the radicalization side.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png" width="1169" height="632" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:632,&quot;width&quot;:1169,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1WKq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43aebe30-472d-44c7-a85d-4f28f6b47f27_1169x632.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The vast majority of Danish Muslims don&#8217;t sympathize with them. 2-3% of them do, however (and 10% don&#8217;t respond&#8230;).</p><p>When asking a more nuanced question, the numbers change a bit.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6jX4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93077a94-f5db-4e90-b10d-8b525f75c1da_1600x268.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6jX4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93077a94-f5db-4e90-b10d-8b525f75c1da_1600x268.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6jX4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93077a94-f5db-4e90-b10d-8b525f75c1da_1600x268.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6jX4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93077a94-f5db-4e90-b10d-8b525f75c1da_1600x268.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6jX4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93077a94-f5db-4e90-b10d-8b525f75c1da_1600x268.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6jX4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93077a94-f5db-4e90-b10d-8b525f75c1da_1600x268.png" width="1600" height="268" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/93077a94-f5db-4e90-b10d-8b525f75c1da_1600x268.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:268,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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nearly 7% of Danish Muslims think drawing Muhammad merits death&#8230;</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aOS5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb19415c-b9bf-4227-b08c-a0af87751335_1600x439.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aOS5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb19415c-b9bf-4227-b08c-a0af87751335_1600x439.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aOS5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb19415c-b9bf-4227-b08c-a0af87751335_1600x439.png 848w, 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stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Omar <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Copenhagen_shootings#Perpetrator">was</a> a Danish-born Muslim who tried to replicate the Charlie Hebdo killings by shooting at a person who drew Muhammad. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This is very concerning to me. It&#8217;s one thing to say you don&#8217;t support political violence in the abstract, but then 44% of Danish Muslims believe society is in part to blame for political violence. What exactly did society do wrong? Why doesn&#8217;t this happen with other cultures and religions? Is the thought behind this that: &#8220;<em>You can draw Muhammad, but then don&#8217;t complain when you get shot&#8221;?</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png" width="1200" height="321.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:429,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LMAI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99ee9e9b-895b-4849-a221-792425b17bf9_1600x429.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This to me is the perfect illustration, because it shows how common this opinion is. On one side, I understand the Muslim position: There is racism in Western countries&#8212;like in all societies. And racism towards Muslim is especially prevalent in Europe. But that doesn&#8217;t justify violence, as many Muslims think. This attitude only breeds further racism. If a group wants to integrate, it must <em>police itself</em>, in thought and in actions. It must understand that they are entering a host country, and they need to make an effort to adjust to local norms.</p><h2>Austria</h2><p>An Austrian survey of young Muslims in Vienna in 2019<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a> shows similar data, so I&#8217;ll just paste the relevant graphs here<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a> (note the comparison with the non-migrant background, which is Viennese youth with both parents born in Austria).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tkms!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faee4607c-00d2-4d10-9da8-72794e143052_1012x1198.png" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Another interesting fact: the more religious the person, the less they believe in democracy and individual rights, and the more they believe in prejudice and violence.</p><p>The capital city of Austria, Vienna, released <a href="https://www.data.gv.at/datasets/38fed360-2d4d-44ba-ab07-aae8f076b7d5?locale=de">a report</a> just this week on this topic,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a> and apparently it shares the same type of data as what we&#8217;ve already seen, so I won&#8217;t go into much more detail.</p><h2>Germany</h2><p>In Germany, the <a href="https://www.jura.uni-hamburg.de/media/die-fakultaet/aktuelles/motra-monitor-2024-25-buch-kemmesies-et-al-2026.pdf">MOTRA-Monitor 2024/25</a> is a monster 600-page report on the state of the country, and the picture is one of radicalization in all directions. 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: Tomas Pueyo for Uncharted Territories, based on data from the <a href="https://www.jura.uni-hamburg.de/media/die-fakultaet/aktuelles/motra-monitor-2024-25-buch-kemmesies-et-al-2026.pdf">MOTRA-Monitor 2025 survey</a></em>.</figcaption></figure></div><p>How did they assess that? They looked at the answer to these eight questions and blended them:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png" width="972" height="573.4532967032967" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:859,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:972,&quot;bytes&quot;:203034,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/i/197680981?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q_3Q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b11421c-5523-414e-948a-ae5f3dd52da1_2333x1377.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So the silver lining is that more than half of German Muslims don&#8217;t think this way. This is so bleak, though. Nearly half of German Muslims think only Islam can solve the problems of our time. A quarter think the rules of the Quran matter more than German law, and that an Islamic theocracy is the best form of government&#8230;</p><p>This is not an artifact of men vs women,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-13" href="#footnote-13" target="_self">13</a> nor of education levels, nor age:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-14" href="#footnote-14" target="_self">14</a> women and educated (high school and above) German Muslims are nearly as Islamist or open to it as male or low-education Muslims. Young Muslims are over <em>4x</em> <em>more radical</em> than older ones.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-15" href="#footnote-15" target="_self">15</a></p><h1>Takeaways</h1><p>From all this data, a picture emerges about Muslims in Western countries.</p><p>First, the US is different from Europe. American Muslims seem much better integrated, and hold less radical views, than their counterparts in Europe.</p><p>Second, Muslims in general like the countries they&#8217;re in, and appreciate democracy. They identify with their host countries, although their allegiance tends to be to Islam first.</p><p>It looks like 20-50% of Muslims are extremely well assimilated into their host countries and hold views quite similar to those of the average native.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-16" href="#footnote-16" target="_self">16</a> These people are so important! They&#8217;re the bridge between natives and more conservative or even radical immigrants, and we should support them.</p><p>A large majority of Muslim immigrants tend to be more religious, pious, and conservative than natives or moderate Muslims. This is neither good nor bad per se; I respect how people want to live, and I enjoy the diversity of lifestyles, although diversity of values brings challenges and costs in politics. I respect their common desire to pray, have a mosque to do it in, eat halal, wear traditional clothes, and provide a separate education to girls and boys. These are things many Christians or Jews desire for their children, too, so we should respect and welcome them.</p><p>I am less comfortable with the 20-50% who seem more fundamentalist, who think Islam should return to its roots, be interpreted literally, or that religious rules are more important than secular ones. These beliefs are incompatible with Western values and institutions. That&#8217;s 9 to 20 million Muslims in Europe, and these beliefs should be acively pushed back on.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-17" href="#footnote-17" target="_self">17</a></p><p>The intolerance is worse. I am even less comfortable with the fairly common position that homosexuality should be banned, that Jews have too much power and can&#8217;t be trusted, or that women should have fewer rights than men. 10-50% of Muslims wanting to make drawings of Muhammad illegal is an unacceptably high number, and 7-24% who think making these drawings or burning a sacred book justifies killing the person who did it is really bad.</p><p>20-50% Muslims are concerned about extremism. This is good news, and as we said, we need them to act on it. </p><p>Because extremism is real and way too common. Depending on their Western host country, you can find numbers like ~25% who think Islam is incompatible with Western values, ~15% who support full Sharia law, ~30% who support some Islamist positions and institutions, ~10%-25% who support Hamas or Jihad, and the support for terrorist organizations like ISIS or Al Qaeda ranges from 2% to 16%. If we assume this group is ~15% of European Muslims, that&#8217;s about 8M European Muslims.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png" width="243" height="353.3117932148627" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:900,&quot;width&quot;:619,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:243,&quot;bytes&quot;:36563,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/i/197680981?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JOeo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ff7d53-3192-475d-b3ec-8f76adccaf57_619x900.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Very high-level breakdown of beliefs of Muslim immigrants in Europe. The numbers vary by country of origin, country of destination, community, religiousness, age, type of question, how it&#8217;s asked&#8230;</em></figcaption></figure></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslim-immigrants-think-in?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslim-immigrants-think-in?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><p>All of this comes with the other side of the coin, which is racism and Islamophobia. These feed into each other. But there are also other factors in place, such a asylum seekers vs economic migrants, policies for work and welfare, and much more. So what does all this mean? What actions should we take to address all of this? For that, we can&#8217;t just look at beliefs, because many times people say one thing and do another. Beliefs only inform us on what people are more likely to say and do, but not on what they actually do. We must look at actions, too: What is the net contribution of Muslim immigrants to Western society? How can we improve it? That&#8217;s where we&#8217;re going in the next article.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p><em>This is an extraordinarily sensitive topic. It&#8217;s not easy to do it justice. I tried and am guaranteed to have failed&#8212;hopefully less than most writing on this topic. So please, share your thoughts and knowledge on the topic, but keep your comments constructive and civil.</em></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>One caveat across the entire article: Nearly <a href="https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2035111364901875752?s=20">25%</a> of those raised Muslim in the US don&#8217;t consider themselves Muslim anymore. This might influence some surveys, because AFAIK, these surveys tend to qualify people as Muslims by asking them if they identify as Muslim. If a person raised as Muslim says they don&#8217;t identify as Muslim, then we&#8217;ll miss in the survey that 25% of the sample is fully assimilated into the host country. If this was widespread enough, it would explain how a society can become more Muslim and more radical without causing a long-term conflict: Muslims would be the mix of new immigrants plus the more radical remnants of existing Muslims (thus appearing more radical). The new immigrants could be enough to keep increasing the number of Muslims, even though the leakage through assimilation was strong. In France, this number is <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/appendix-a-methodology-europes-muslim-population/">10%</a>, and it looks like in many countries, the number of people leaving Islam is quite low (remember, Islam says apostasy deserves death). So I think that, overall, we can disregard this effect, except for in the US, where it&#8217;s so strong. Another show of how the US integrates people so much better than other places.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>SCIICS, large-scale telephone survey, 2008, for the Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Austria and Sweden.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>But more hostile to Muslims than non-religious Muslims were to the West.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>From <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/9337a43ff2c340e18ec3ea1bc9d5d568">the</a> <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/69eb51a5-87cc-838d-a050-be7eedb300fc">center</a>-<a href="https://claude.ai/share/78a9601a-8844-47ec-b40c-e686321ddf78">right</a> <a href="http://policyexchange.org.uk">Policy Exchange</a>.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The charts in this section come from <a href="https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Understanding-Islamopopulism_.pdf">the</a> <a href="https://www.channel4.com/news/media/pdfs/top_lines.pdf">two</a> cited surveys.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Jackson_Society">Henry Jackson Society</a> self-describes as non-partisan, but left-wing critics consider it right-wing. I asked ChatGPT and <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/6a008737-82d4-8390-908c-a17e03241bd6">it told me</a> that it&#8217;s formally non-party-political, but it&#8217;s a center-right / neoconservative foreign-policy and security think tank that presents itself as cross-party and has had some cross-party associations, especially historically.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The French Left and pro-Muslim groups have <a href="https://m.americanmuslimtoday.com/details/5a1dca74-9c07-4340-8f35-c4e096b73ea3">accused</a> the IFOP of pro-right bias. Is that true? The IFOP is one of the oldest survey companies in France (created in 1938). <a href="https://politpro.eu/en/france/polling-institutes">PolitPro has assessed</a> survey companies and considers IFOP the most reliable. IFOP has <a href="https://www.ifop.com/en/article/french-support-for-various-left-wing-measures">worked</a> for the French Socialist Party, and has published <a href="https://www.ifop.com/en/article/french-support-for-various-left-wing-measures">surveys with pro-left findings</a>. <a href="https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=2047586649693966430">Grok</a>, <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/69eb2a2a-23e8-838e-a1e4-a969d1189ff7">ChatGPT</a>, and <a href="https://claude.ai/share/4cc90eb0-e241-4e2c-bec6-58dfa0f074d0">Claude</a> all think IFOP is neutral. As a reminder, <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/69eb2a2a-23e8-838e-a1e4-a969d1189ff7">ChatGPT</a> and Claude <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/ad6f447afc1f469785f27a24c065e167">lean</a> <a href="https://claude.ai/share/717a81cf-f5fb-4543-9263-14643eb067e4">left</a>, and Grok <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/69eb2ab4-e520-8390-827d-48978aae2983">leans</a> right of them, but <a href="https://claude.ai/share/e02fd869-ffb3-45bf-9b5c-168fd2f588f0">still left</a>.I looked into <a href="https://cfcm-officiel.fr/communique-le-cfcm-met-en-garde-contre-linstrumentalisation-des-sondages-sur-les-musulmans-de-france/">the actual criticism</a> of the IFOP by a <a href="https://cfcm-officiel.fr/">French Muslim organization</a>, and these criticisms include the fact that it increases islamophobia (that doesn&#8217;t mean that a fact is false, just that it&#8217;s inconvenient), that it undermines right-wing talking points by highlighting that 7% of the French are Muslim (which lends credence to the IFOP data being accurate), or that the sample size is small (1,000 is reasonable and the methodology uses standard statistics, with standard errors, some sample bias, etc). The main criticism is that this type of survey (<a href="https://www.ifop.com/en/article/current-state-of-muslims-relationship-with-islam-and-islamism-in-france">methodology here</a>, seems robust to me) carries some biases, but again, this is standard practice. All surveys have these types of biases. The question is: Are they likely to completely misrepresent reality? One of the most telling facts is that younger Muslims appear more Islamist than their parents. The criticism itself claims that this is because older Muslims had to conceal their Islam, but younger ones are prouder of it. This does not sound to me like a bias of a survey: If parents and children are similarly radical, but the parents conceal it while the children don&#8217;t, it sounds like the children are indeed more radical, since they feel more comfortable discussing their radicalism. If anything, it means society is more tolerant of their radicalism while their radicalism remains the same or is higher. The other big criticism of the survey is that ~35% of France&#8217;s Muslims (of which there are ~7M) declare going to the mosque every Friday. That&#8217;s about 2M Muslims, but there is only room for 500k people in French mosques. The mismatch can be explained by social desirability bias (people want to look more religious than they actually are), uneven capacity utilization, multiple prayer sessions or overflow practices (Mosques often hold multiple Friday prayer sessions at staggered times or use overflow areas, courtyards, or streets).Based on all this, I conclude that IFOP is probably low bias, and it seems like its survey results reflect the reality of what French Muslims say, rather than what they do (but here we care about Muslim thought, so this is perfectly on point).</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>5%&#8211;30% according to ChatGPT</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Isn&#8217;t that like blaming victims of rape because they were too scantily dressed or drank too much?</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Junge Menschen mit muslimischer Pr&#228;gung in Wien, Kenan G&#252;ng&#246;r, et. al, November 2019</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>I generated them through Claude by uploading the pdf and asking it to graph them. Since I don&#8217;t speak enough German, I didn&#8217;t spot-check, but the numbers are very similar to the other stuff we&#8217;ve seen.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Data from December 2024. The methodology is questioned, because half the sample was collected by asking people in busy streets on a Friday evening in four locations in Vienna, and the other half online. The two samples were very different in results, but the report just averages them out. My take on this is that the street samples are probably very biased towards more moderate Muslims (which I assume are more likely to go out on a Friday night), and also biased them further towards moderation (they answered the questions discretely on their own on iPads, but being in a public area and handing out an iPad probably makes the answers more attuned to what&#8217;s expected of them), whereas the online sample is probably more revealing of the true attitudes (they came from the survey company&#8217;s existing panel).</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-13" href="#footnote-anchor-13" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">13</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>There are fewer Islamist women, but they are more radical: 10.3% of Muslim women were manifestly Islamist in 2025, and 16.6% were latent/open, for a total of 27%. For men, these numbers were 9.8%, 22.7%, and 32.5%.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-14" href="#footnote-anchor-14" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">14</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>9.7% of low-schooled Muslims (up to Hauptschule) are Islamists, and 9.2% of those with full high school / university entry level. For openness to Islamism only, the numbers are 30.4% and 25.7%. In other words, 35% of German Muslims with high school or higher education are either Islamist or open to it&#8230;</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-15" href="#footnote-anchor-15" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">15</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>In 2025, 45% of Muslims under 40 hold at least latently Islamist attitudes (11.5% manifest + 33.6% latent), compared to around 35% of 40&#8211;59 year-olds and under 10% of those aged 60 and over.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-16" href="#footnote-anchor-16" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">16</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>On the lower side of the range in Europe, on the higher side in the US. This is true for all results.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-17" href="#footnote-anchor-17" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">17</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>If we accept ~45M as the number of Muslims in Europe.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What Do Muslims Believe ?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Around the world, about the Values Westerners Are Worried About]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslims-think</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-do-muslims-think</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 12:24:41 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lync!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ffb2370-39e2-47e9-a756-d4f71db1f445_1600x821.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard about ideological clashes between Muslims and the West for decades, but it seems to be increasing recently in Europe with the rise of Muslim immigration, and it&#8217;s now at the center of many elections.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> One side claims that Muslims are like any other religious group. 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What?!</p><p>It made me think of this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png" width="274" height="539.6849710982659" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/cbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1363,&quot;width&quot;:692,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:274,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pUM7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbaee918-b9ef-45e4-ac9f-1d5bc5b23f57_692x1363.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This represents the idea that, nowadays, women can easily have sex, so they gravitate towards attractive men, which is bad for unattractive men (no access to sex), and bad for all women (heightened competition for a few men only), while attractive men get all the access to sex they want and end up not partnering up.</p><p>Are these things true? Do men really reproduce less than women? Is it because historically, the more attractive men could hoard the women, leaving the least attractive men out of luck? If that&#8217;s the case, how frequent was it? How did different societies deal with this problem? Did it lead to violence? And what about today? Do more women than men still reproduce? How has technology like Tinder or contraception changed this? What can we predict about the future of sex, reproduction, and violence?</p><h1>1. Men Don&#8217;t Reproduce as Much</h1><p>Let&#8217;s start with the initial claim: If 80% of women reproduce and only 40% of men, that means women have been 2x more likely to reproduce than men in history. Is this true? This is an <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4381518/">estimate of how many women<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> reproduced</a> in a studied population throughout history:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png" width="482" height="523.2236842105264" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:990,&quot;width&quot;:912,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:482,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kRsh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F275b1b55-f145-4e56-9026-f335a6e47b23_912x990.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Notice how the human population starts exploding about 70,000 years ago, around the time of the 2<sup>nd</sup> move out of Africa. Then, there&#8217;s a new explosion around 10,000-12,000 years ago, around the time of the end of the last ice age.</p><p>But this is for females. How did males reproduce in comparison?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png" width="1200" height="668.25" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z4Wn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40706277-2353-4ff8-8fb9-6c8b247567ba_1600x891.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>I had to collapse the vertical axis for males because in the original paper, the researchers used different scales, which defeats the purpose of comparing them!</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Assuming that 80% of women reproduced at any given time, what does this tell us about the share of men who reproduced?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mz0l!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4eb08ae8-4571-41c1-a255-1b30b3d78991_1438x1213.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is bonkers!! It means historically only about a quarter of men reproduced!?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>This maps tells you where:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png" width="1200" height="856" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:856,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MqER!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ed0f0c-5e92-4ce1-9dc3-62dab2c83890_1200x856.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>In Europe and Eurasia, the male source individuals were 85-95% fewer than the female source individuals! Red numbers: estimated female effective population size; blue numbers: estimated male effective population size; top number near each triangle: &#8220;current&#8221; effective size for that regional sample; bottom number near each triangle: ancestral/founding effective size for that regional lineage; black oval &#8220;26 / 15&#8221;: estimated effective size of the initial out-of-Africa bottleneck: ~26 females, ~15 males; black arrow dates: inferred divergence times in years before present; arrows schematic ancestry/migration splits, not literal routes. <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/2041-2223-5-13">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>How is this possible?</p><h3>Homosexuality</h3><p>About <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation">3%</a> of men consider themselves fully homosexual, so it can explain only a tiny part of this gap.</p><h3>Polygyny</h3><p>The most logical explanation for this would be polygamy (one person marrying several people of the other sex), which generally means polygyny (one man, several women).<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> If the average man who marries has 3 wives, it means about &#8532; of men won&#8217;t have a wife.</p><h3>The Sexual Violence Problem</h3><p>This causes a lot of conflict. Because you get a lot of men who can&#8217;t access sex and reproduction. So societies had three options.</p><p>One was to just be violent, with men killing other men and kidnapping and raping women. That is not very stable at all, so such societies quickly learn to focus the violence outwards: They organize in clans and tribes where you&#8217;re not supposed to kill each other, and should raid your neighbor instead.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png" width="407" height="526.0661040787624" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1838,&quot;width&quot;:1422,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:407,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3s3c!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04968bae-4346-4f0e-81d6-d6d720c12525_1422x1838.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The societies that managed to do this at scale were able to spread extremely fast. Examples include the <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-did-vikings-appear-out-of-nowhere">Vikings</a> and the <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-did-islam-spread-so-fast">Arab Muslims</a>: In both cases, they had serious polygyny, and men were recruited to go raid foreigners and take their women as partners, concubines, or slaves. The Muslims had the added brilliant idea of telling recruits: &#8220;<em>Even if you die fighting, don&#8217;t worry, you&#8217;ll get your women in heaven.&#8221;</em></p><p>For example, we know from DNA analysis that <a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/vikings-genetic-legacy">80%</a> of the Icelandic male DNA was originally from Scandinavia, whereas 60% of women&#8217;s is Gaelic.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> So the most common way that Iceland was settled was with Scandinavian men taking Gaelic women in the British Isles and settling in Iceland. Something similar happened in Arab territories:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png" width="612" height="431" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:431,&quot;width&quot;:612,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SjiS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e4b5a72-a824-44aa-85a2-48a3e74340b0_612x431.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The Y chromosome is mostly handed down from father to son without much modification, which helps us track male lineages across many generations. Similarly, mitochondrial DNA is handed down from mother to children with no modification.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>So very certainly part of the difference between male and female reproduction is that some men hoarded women, so other men either didn&#8217;t have access to women and didn&#8217;t reproduce, or had to go to war or raid neighbors to get women. They would either die trying, or succeed and extinguish the male line of the conquered.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t always need to be violent though. For example, the Swahili Coast in Africa has in some places up to 80-90% of male ancestors from Persia, India and Arabia, with nearly 100% local female ancestors, from Africa.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png" width="397" height="338" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:338,&quot;width&quot;:397,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fm2C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a88e30a-4d3f-4bdc-8a24-34ff8998705c_397x338.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Swahili coast, in Africa</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This was from trade: Rich Muslim traders would come and marry local women. But slaves were part of the traded goods, and so some of the partnerships would have been coerced rather than free.</p><p>Conversely, some Arabic ancestry <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707606302">comes from African women</a>, but not men. Given that Arabs traded African slaves, the most logical explanation is that they didn&#8217;t let African men reproduce in Arabia,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> but some of the African women slaves did reproduce with the men.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a></p><h3>Age</h3><p>This one blew my mind. There&#8217;s a second way a polygynous society can manage the sex imbalance: Growth plus age differences. This explains why old men marry young women in Muslim countries.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a></p><p>If you have 100 men, and they each have on average two wives, you need 200 women. How can you get them? You can solve that if the men are 40 years old and the women are 20 years old.</p><p>The women have four children each, for a total of eight children per father&#8212;approximately four boys and four girls. That means that our total population of 100 men and 200 women becomes, 20 years later, 800 men and 800 women.</p><p>The women marry immediately and have children,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a> but not the men! The 800 men have to wait 20 more years. By the time they do, there&#8217;s been a new generation. Now there are 1600 men and 1600 women aged 20: Enough women so there&#8217;s two of them per man!</p><p>Another way to think about this: If every generation is twice as big as the previous one, every man can simply marry, when he is older, two younger women of the next generation.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif" width="875" height="653" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:653,&quot;width&quot;:875,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LJ4r!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F771585a5-b0f7-4979-8b58-16fb9d706722_875x653.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Purple is women, blue is men. In generation 1, there&#8217;s one 40 year old man and two 20 year old women who marry, and have eight kids in the 2nd generation (four kids per woman), four girls and four boys. The four girls marry when they are 20 with two 40 year old men from Gen 0. They have together the 3rd generation, made of 16 children (again, four kids each), eight girls and eight boys. The eight girls in Gen 3 marry the four boys from Gen 2, and have together 32 kids. And so on.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>So by marrying women young enough, remaining fertile, and having lots of children, you can actually maintain a highly polygynous society while all men still have women!</p><p>Something like that has happened in high-growth polygynous societies across the world. It&#8217;s one of the reasons I believe old men marry young girls in some Muslim countries. I don&#8217;t like it (and with children it&#8217;s abhorrent), but that&#8217;s the logic.</p><p>This wouldn&#8217;t explain why men have had more children than women though&#8212;in fact, it increases the mystery, because it could explain away polygyny without the need for women reproducing more than men.</p><h3>Monogamy</h3><p>The other way to handle this problem is by forbidding polygamy. If everybody is monogamous, everybody can pair up and have children. Yay!</p><p>This has a big advantage: Instead of pouring resources (men) into violence against each other to fight for women, who are then raped and / or kidnapped, you can focus all the energy on building stuff and accumulating wealth.</p><p>This might be one of the reasons why the Greeks (and later, Romans), who were uniquely monogamous, were so successful. They imbued this into Christianity<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>, which then spread the concept around the world.</p><p>Islam and China were not technically monogamous, but in practice the vast majority of marriages have been, I assume for the same reason.</p><p>A study looked at the ratio of men to women in several societies, and assuming 80% of women have had surviving descendants, then in East Asian societies about 72% of men had surviving descendants; in Europe it&#8217;s 62%, and in Nigeria (Yoruba) it&#8217;s 57%. So we can see in the data that monogamy might have indeed had a strong impact in balancing reproduction and descendants&#8212;which gives credence to the idea that polygyny was originally one of the causes of this imbalance.</p><p>But if monogamy has been so widespread, why do we see such an imbalance in male-female reproduction across the world until so recently?</p><h1>2. Patriarchy against Men</h1><p>The most common structure for clans has usually been patrilineal: All the men in a family stay together, and the daughters leave to pair up with men in other clans. This means all men in a clan are related by blood, but not all women.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a> So if a clan disappears&#8212;whether it&#8217;s wiped out, it starves, or it slowly shrinks because it doesn&#8217;t have access to resources or status&#8212;then the entire male line goes extinct. But not the female line, which is much more mixed! So, in effect, patriarchy is genetically much riskier for men than for women.</p><p>Meanwhile, this effect was compounded by the fact that successful clans would wipe out many other clans, further reducing genetic diversity.</p><p>And then, these successful clans would grow too much and would need to split. When they did, they tended to do so along lines of close relatives. So for example each successful son would move out with his male descendants. The result is that every split would <em>increase</em> male line genetic concentration.</p><p><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-47618-5">One paper</a> tried to figure out how much the effects described in this section could explain the gap between male and female reproduction, and it found that it could theoretically explain it all. In other words, you don&#8217;t theoretically need polygyny or violence between men to explain this gap. The clan structure could be enough.</p><p>My guess is that it&#8217;s something in between:</p><ol><li><p>Polygyny meant that many men could not get wives and never reproduced.</p></li><li><p>Many men killed other men and took the women, further reducing the share of men who would ever reproduce (or killing off their offspring). This was more common in polygynous societies than in monogamous ones.</p></li><li><p>Even if some males reproduced, clan structure could eliminate their entire male line, if the entire clan was wiped out.</p></li></ol><p>What does all this tell us about today? Here are the consequences we can draw for dating apps, incels, polygamy in the West, immigrant profiles, Ukraine and Russia, and AI and robots.</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why Did Islam Spread So Fast in North Africa & Spain?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Opponent weakness, incentives, taxes, ecology, nomads, land]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-did-islam-spread-so-fast-in-north</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-did-islam-spread-so-fast-in-north</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:51:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We talked about the spread of Islam in Arabia and Egypt <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-did-islam-spread-so-fast">in the previous article</a>, but it didn&#8217;t stop there. Less than 100 years after Muhammad&#8217;s first conquests, Islam was well-established in Spain. How come?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png" width="1200" height="673.5" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:898,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zgai!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4aeba780-b5be-4dda-a094-52a1e4e7448a_1600x898.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h1>Byzantine Ashes</h1><p>As a reminder from the last article, the two regional superpowers, Byzantium (Romans) and the Sassanids (Persians), were uniquely wea&#8230;</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[How Did Islam Spread So Fast?]]></title><description><![CDATA[It took only 25 years for Islam to go from being kicked out of a village to controlling everything from Morocco to Pakistan. How?]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-did-islam-spread-so-fast</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-did-islam-spread-so-fast</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:01:15 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 600s AD, Mecca was a village of a few hundred people, off the beaten path, a backwater uninteresting to distant empires. Then along comes a guy&#8212;Muhammad&#8212;and somehow within five years he and his heirs went from ruling one oasis to controlling all of Arabia, and thirty years later everything from Morocco to Pakistan. HOW?!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif" width="1196" height="580" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:580,&quot;width&quot;:1196,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!--Hy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F065602f6-ed59-44be-b566-6707118a3420_1196x580.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>My goal is to understand the mechanisms of Islam&#8217;s lightning-fast spread. I am sure I will get some facts wrong here. I know I can count on you to correct me as you find them.</em></p><p>To start, let&#8217;s look at a satellite map of the region.</p><h1>1. The Middle East at the Eve of Islam</h1><p>For 1,000 years, the Middle East had been the battleground between two megapowers: one from the sea, the other from land.</p><h3>Sea vs Land</h3><p>Greece vs Persia<br>Rome vs Parthia<br>Byzantium vs Sassanids</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png" width="532" height="880.689138576779" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1768,&quot;width&quot;:1068,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:532,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mhY4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F789bc9df-8119-46db-9b80-28bb08f33131_1068x1768.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>You might have heard about the Battle of Thermopylae where a few Greeks were able to stop the Achaemenid (Persian) Empire in 480 BC. Then, how Alexander the Great conquered everything from Greece to India, finishing around 323 BC. After that, the Parthians took over Persia, and the Romans took over Greece, and they continued the war. They were followed respectively by the Sassanid Empire and the East Roman Empire, until their last war ended in 628 AD.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>In all three cases, we had a sea-based power built around the Mediterranean on the west.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WnHR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfda9e1f-9859-448e-a3e2-437bf4a9556f_1600x1065.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WnHR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfda9e1f-9859-448e-a3e2-437bf4a9556f_1600x1065.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Rome at its peak</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>While to the east ruled a land-based power.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W8jn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F495b9837-10c8-4002-8fe1-fd4c112e3933_937x720.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W8jn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F495b9837-10c8-4002-8fe1-fd4c112e3933_937x720.gif 424w, 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y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In all these maps, you&#8217;ll see that the Arabian Peninsula is in the smack middle of both, yet was never a part of either empire. Why? 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Here, the only place you can live is <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/mountains">in the mountains</a>, which capture rain.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!q7zs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54ea0982-b61e-487f-98ea-2a9919df0bc3_1600x1144.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!q7zs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54ea0982-b61e-487f-98ea-2a9919df0bc3_1600x1144.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Clockwise starting with Ethiopia:</p><ul><li><p>As we explain <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/ethiopian-renaissance">here, the Ethiopian Highlands</a> catch the African monsoon rains.</p></li><li><p>They flow north through the Nile, giving birth to <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/egypt">Egypt</a>.</p></li><li><p>Water evaporated in the Red Sea rains down in the <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/saudi-arabias-ordeal">Sarawat Mountains</a>, in western Arabia, creating the historical regions of Hejaz and <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-resource-cliff">Yemen</a>.</p></li><li><p>Just north of that, the same phenomenon, but the water from the Mediterranean forms the Levant, with present-day <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/will-israel-be-at-war">Israel</a>, <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/who-can-claim-palestine">Palestine</a>, <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-could-lebanon-be-rich-but-is">Lebanon</a>, and <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-is-happening-in-syria">Syria</a>.</p></li><li><p>Rains caught in Anatolia form present-day Turkey.</p></li><li><p>Rains caught in Persia form present-day <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/iran">Iran</a>.</p></li><li><p>These rains flow down the two rivers of Tigris and Euphrates, forming the historic region of Mesopotamia (between two rivers), mostly present-day Iraq.</p></li><li><p>The mountains in eastern Arabia also catch some rain, forming what are today the eastern <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/dubai">UAE</a> / Oman</p></li></ul><p>You can see this pattern reflected <em>to this day</em> in the population density map below:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>If you notice, there are two very different types of regions here, the mountains that catch water, and the plains that emerge around their rivers. The mountains are hard to rule, but defensible. The plains are hyperfertile and easy to rule, but exposed to foreign invaders.</p><p>Early on, this was not problematic: People emerged where food was easiest to produce, on the riverbanks of the Nile and Mesopotamia, which would naturally flood the riverbanks, filling them with water and sediments. That&#8217;s why civilization emerged there. There was very little population and civilization in the mountains.</p><p>But as time passed, agricultural practices developed, were brought to more mountainous areas, and the population grew there too.</p><p>This exposed the river civilizations to the mountain people. This is why, for most of its history, Egypt, the Levant, and Mesopotamia have been under the yoke of neighboring powers:</p><ul><li><p>In the case of the Levant and Egypt, those that control the sea (the Mediterranean)</p></li><li><p>In the case of the Levant and Mesopotamia, those that control the land (Anatolia and Persia)</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UU2u!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F522dd94d-2e55-4ac3-bd35-baf2890b5df9_1600x1058.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UU2u!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F522dd94d-2e55-4ac3-bd35-baf2890b5df9_1600x1058.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The Levant is actually mountainous, but the range is much thinner, so it&#8217;s much easier to control than Anatolia or Persia</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>The Arabian Desert</h3><p>So what was in Arabia? As the northern empires grew for the previous 1000 years, they encroached more and more on Arabia, especially its north. But this influence was limited because of the geography. In most of Arabia, there were just secluded tribes in the mountains, and some people on some coasts, for the maritime trade with the Mediterranean.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png" width="1600" height="905" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HU2l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3a6758-bdb2-45b3-9720-5a1361f50164_1600x905.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Trade between Rome and India during Roman times</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>So all of Arabia was mostly empty and arid, except for some northern border tribes that interacted with the empires, the western mountains, and especially their south, in Yemen, which caught some water from the Ethiopian monsoon rains and some sea trade.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fO3l!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6faf02f7-fed1-4781-977c-e22c782d0b5e_1600x1238.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fO3l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6faf02f7-fed1-4781-977c-e22c782d0b5e_1600x1238.png" width="1600" height="1238" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6faf02f7-fed1-4781-977c-e22c782d0b5e_1600x1238.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1238,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fO3l!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6faf02f7-fed1-4781-977c-e22c782d0b5e_1600x1238.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fO3l!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6faf02f7-fed1-4781-977c-e22c782d0b5e_1600x1238.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fO3l!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6faf02f7-fed1-4781-977c-e22c782d0b5e_1600x1238.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fO3l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6faf02f7-fed1-4781-977c-e22c782d0b5e_1600x1238.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" 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Greener = more population. The pattern is mostly unchanged from what it would have been like thousands of years ago, except the center of Saudi Arabia is much more populated than it would have been, as Saudi Arabia has invested in the infrastructure to grow the Al Saud historic capital, Riyadh. Dubai was not as populated either. But the western coast of the continent probably gives a good sense of what density distribution used to be: Lots of people in Yemen, and from there moving north some people along the mountain ridge. Then after Mecca, not much population, until you reached the oasis of Medina.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Notice on the trade map above that there were no stops between Yemen and the Mediterranean on the Arabian coast. That&#8217;s how awfully dry that region is: not even port settlements could survive.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png" width="1200" height="822.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1097,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZVep!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc73e714-5139-4630-af6c-93753ff80c42_1600x1097.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>To this day, this coast is terribly hostile. There might have been some port villages, probably Jedda (near Mecca today), and maybe some others, but they were small.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>That&#8217;s why Mecca and Medina are inland: They&#8217;re away from the sea trade routes and isolated by mountains and desert, but they have some water caught by the mountains.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png" width="1200" height="729" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:972,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3VRq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9de834ad-46ac-43a0-b999-281743142998_1600x972.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Mecca (Makkah) is in the middle. The port of Jeddah didn&#8217;t exist at the time. The city of Taif, higher up on the mountains, had more water than Mecca. This has importance later on.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Not much water, mind you; probably enough for a few hundred people in Mecca. <em>Hundreds? What about the claims that Mecca and Medina gathered thousands of soldiers?</em></p><ol><li><p>The sources of these claims had an incentive to exaggerate: the bigger the forces, the more impressive their exploits.</p></li><li><p>The soldiers could have been sourced from herders from the surrounding valleys rather than just a specific town like Mecca or Medina.</p></li><li><p>The <a href="https://qurantalkblog.com/2020/04/30/mecca-a-plantless-valley/">Quran says</a> Mecca is a plantless valley.</p></li><li><p>Due to the lack of water: There&#8217;s very little rain here. It&#8217;s so hot that most of the rain evaporates. The little that remains is not enough for permanent rivers, only seasonal wadis. This makes trees and agriculture very hard to maintain.</p></li><li><p>So the most common type of vegetation is shrub, inedible by humans so they need animals to eat it (goats, camels), and then the humans consume the milk &amp; meat of these animals, which means a loss in terms of calories from the grasses and shrubs to the animal products.</p></li><li><p>With these types of insights, you can approximate the carrying capacity of an area. In the case of Mecca, I asked ChatGPT Pro, and it estimated a few hundred.</p></li><li><p>An <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359781030_The_Population_Size_of_Muhammad's_Mecca_and_the_Creation_of_the_Quraysh">analysis of the genealogy</a> of Muhammad&#8217;s Mecca suggests a population of ~550 people.</p></li></ol><p>Mecca is not just distant from trade routes. It&#8217;s very desertic, which means little food produced, so the population had to be quite small. The lack of plant or animal resources also meant few goods to trade anyway. In fact, if it traded anything, it was probably to <em>get</em> food, as the region is so infertile that even a few thousand people at the time would have been hard to sustain. What did they trade in exchange for that food? Probably hides from their pastoral activities, very likely slaves.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> It had a shrine (an earlier version of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba">Kaaba</a>) that the local population and maybe some regional tribes came to visit. Probably not much more.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>And yet Muhammad and his successors went from Mecca, a city of a few hundred people, to controlling Medina, to then all of Arabia in four years, from 629 to 633:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif" width="756" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:756,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neCh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d8882dc-60a7-4c92-ab97-95c481cd27e1_756x720.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>For the life of me I couldn&#8217;t find an animated map reconstruction of the expansion of early Islam in Arabia (how crazy is that!), so I teamed up with AI to figure out every step in the unification. From a sources standpoint, it&#8217;s not too hard because the only existing source for this is the Quran itself, so I took each of the steps in the Quran according to ChatGPT Pro (after intense back-and-forth as it would tend to avoid steps I knew existed from reading parts elsewhere in my research) and this is the result.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Four successors and 30 years later, this is what the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate">Rashidun Caliphate</a> looked like in 660:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!To8V!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd08583d4-0e58-424a-b5fa-446502953643_1196x580.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!To8V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd08583d4-0e58-424a-b5fa-446502953643_1196x580.png" width="1196" height="580" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d08583d4-0e58-424a-b5fa-446502953643_1196x580.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:580,&quot;width&quot;:1196,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!To8V!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd08583d4-0e58-424a-b5fa-446502953643_1196x580.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!To8V!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd08583d4-0e58-424a-b5fa-446502953643_1196x580.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!To8V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd08583d4-0e58-424a-b5fa-446502953643_1196x580.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!To8V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd08583d4-0e58-424a-b5fa-446502953643_1196x580.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This only thickens the plot. How on earth could a village off the beaten path, with a population of a few hundred people and weak trade, birth a religion shared by 25% of the world&#8217;s population today?</p><blockquote><p><em>No source prior to the Qur&#8217;an makes any mention of Mecca, and the Qur&#8217;an itself mentions it only a single time (48:24)</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a><em>. Despite the fact that we have detailed descriptions of western and southern Arabia from various Roman historians, including Procopius (ca. 500&#8211;570 CE) most notably, Mecca seems to have been completely unknown to the classical and late ancient worlds. This provides strong evidence that Mecca did not have any significant cultural, economic, or political ties to the broader world of the late ancient Mediterranean and Mesopotamia. Of course, once we recognize that Mecca was a small village with only a few hundreds or thousands of inhabitants and a subsistence economy, its omission becomes perfectly understandable.</em>&#8212;<a href="https://www.jstor.org/content/oa_chapter_monograph/j.ctv2tbwqhq.8?seq=1">The Hijaz in Late Antiquity, Social and Economic Conditions in the Cradle of the Qur&#8217;an</a>, Stephen J. Shoemaker, 2022</p></blockquote><h1>2. The Software Update of Islam</h1><p>This is the typical geography in the area of Mecca:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png" width="1200" height="808.5" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1078,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AAcV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F949ee480-7901-441e-bf10-c74d33e5171b_1600x1078.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Lots of mountains, some valleys or oases that allow for a little bit of agriculture, mostly shrubs here and there that allow for camels and goats to browse. This is conducive to pastoral clans, who tend to use bloodlines as the unit of community to protect themselves, and tend to attack neighboring clans because it&#8217;s easy to steal livestock. So the clan structure looks like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png" width="587" height="460.428125" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1255,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:587,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA0z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c144a6c-3777-462d-9f75-de0e57737697_1600x1255.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Clans in brown. In red, the investment in policing borders and managing relationships with neighboring clans.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>But although this is a stable situation (a &#8220;local optimum&#8221;), it&#8217;s bad: It&#8217;s expensive, and will sometimes result in tribal wars that deplete everybody.</p><p>A much better and stabler situation (&#8220;global optimum&#8221;) is this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xX2r!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9bcf79fc-1a5d-4d20-bc4c-0ebda3d8b745_1600x1232.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>By eliminating the internal borders, internal trade becomes much easier, and a region becomes richer. By redeploying the internal forces to the external border, the amount of force available for external aggression is much higher.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>So how do you vanquish the inertia to establish a more optimal situation?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png" width="547" height="414.694375" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1213,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:547,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z9uV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef84ad5c-7bfc-476d-9b63-fe45d37a661b_1600x1213.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>In math, it would be visualized like this. The situation is the ball, and today it&#8217;s in a locally stable environment. Move it a bit left and right, and it will go back to its existing position. In our metaphor here, if three tribes decide to make a truce and start allowing each other to move freely in the other clan&#8217;s area, and they decide to adjudicate together when there&#8217;s a conflict between the clans, that is a flimsy change, just one problem away from falling apart. The clannishness is a local optimum. So you need to make a huge change to overcome the forces that get the system back to its original position. But once you do, you might discover a much more stable situation.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>A series of serendipitous situations meant Muhammad was the right person at the right place and the right time to do this across this whole region, and where once there were constant inter-clan wars, there was suddenly a formidable force.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png" width="1600" height="1494" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1494,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R0dw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab4a61d3-ce0f-4446-b86b-3e87851c26d8_1600x1494.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Muhammad was able to take control of Medina from inside. From there, he was able to expand first to the north, then to Mecca <strong>militarily</strong>, then south of it militarily too. Here, the order of the first expansions on the west coast, from earlier (darker) to later (lighter).</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Muhammad, born in 570 AD, was a member of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quraysh">Quraysh</a>, the predominant<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> clan of the village of Mecca. He was part of a smaller branch of the clan, his father died before he was born, and his mother when he was 6. He was raised by his grandfather and later uncle, and was a trader. In 610 AD, he starts seeing visions of the Angel Gabriel. How did this have such a big impact?</p><h3>Trade</h3><p>One of the keys to unite people is trade. Unlike goat herding or local agriculture, which don&#8217;t need cooperation with foreigners and lead to storing wealth that can be stolen, trade needs cooperation. It&#8217;s win-win. So traders have a strong incentive to pacify regions, make clans respect each other and stop war. In exchange, the trade is taxed and clans receive some of the taxes. This is what we saw in <em><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/pax-mercatus">Pax Mercatus</a></em>: Whether it was the Roman Empire, China, rivers in Europe, the Atlantic Ocean in the Age of Discovery, the Pax Mongolica, the Pax Americana&#8230; In all cases, trade begets military expansion to bring peace.</p><p>So it&#8217;s not a coincidence that Muhammad was a trader: He had an incentive to pacify all the clans in the region to allow for camel caravans to trade freely.</p><p>It&#8217;s not a coincidence either that he really started Islam not in Mecca, but in Medina.</p><p>Medina was a bigger town because there was an oasis there.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IHB5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febb67778-79d4-4a85-9bd2-2c878dd50b38_1600x1077.png" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IHB5!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febb67778-79d4-4a85-9bd2-2c878dd50b38_1600x1077.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IHB5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febb67778-79d4-4a85-9bd2-2c878dd50b38_1600x1077.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IHB5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febb67778-79d4-4a85-9bd2-2c878dd50b38_1600x1077.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>This is AlUla, in the Medina Province. Not quite where the town of Medina was, but this gives you an idea of what it could have looked like (just fewer buildings and people).</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>We can understand why when we look at the local topography:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png" width="1600" height="1685" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1685,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!K1a1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99bb47b-c317-48aa-ba3f-27e30919e65d_1600x1685.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Medina is in a depression surrounded by mountains from the Sarawat range. Mecca is on the foothills of these Mountains, and the water that doesn&#8217;t evaporate can more easily filter into the ground and go to the sea.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Muhammad started preaching in Mecca and that got him into problems. At some point, other clan members wanted to kill him so he escaped to Medina.</p><p>But luckily for him, Medina was just emerging from a tribal war, and was thus especially open to <a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Constitution-of-Medina">a solution to their clan problem</a>, especially from a trader who promoted trade, peace, mutual respect, and taxation, instead of inter-clan war.</p><p>Muhammad created the concept of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah">Umma</a>, or Muslim identity: <em>We&#8217;re all the same, we&#8217;re all together, we should like each other and not fight each other.</em> He created a meta-identity above that of clans, promoting their union.</p><p>By making apostasy strongly punishable, Islam increased the barriers to exit the community: <em>You&#8217;re in, and you can&#8217;t get out</em>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><p>The exhaustion from internecine conflict in Medina made the townspeople open to these changes, and Muhammad became a local mediator, eventually reaching a position of power.</p><p>But there were lots of other social engineering innovations that allowed this to happen.</p><h3>Monotheism</h3><p>The date of all this is relevant too. We&#8217;re now in the 620s, and this is happening:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png" width="1600" height="1184" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1184,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enVo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5928f9c-8583-4e82-994d-799b11da14ce_1600x1184.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Spread of Christianism. Dark blue: 325 AD. Light blue: 600 AD</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The region was on the border of Christian spread. Although Muhammad was illiterate, he knew about the Bible, Jesus, and the Angel Gabriel. But this belief was not predominant in the region at that time. The main reason why he was kicked out of Mecca was because he adopted the Judeo-Christian idea of monotheism, and that meant he was against the polytheism reigning in Mecca.</p><p>The bright side, though, is that once he convinced a group to become monotheistic, he took away one more reason to fight each other.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!klG7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ed90138-70db-4701-9e48-7d6229a89a84_1600x1157.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!klG7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ed90138-70db-4701-9e48-7d6229a89a84_1600x1157.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This also meant that an attack on one of the clans was an attack on all the clans, reducing inter-clan hostility.</p><p>Adopting the Judeo-Christian concept of omnipotency (which was not common of deities before monotheism) made the enforcement of rules much easier: Now you couldn&#8217;t hide in order to violate the norms, Allah would always see you.</p><h3>Taxation</h3><p>When Muhammad escaped from Mecca to Medina, he was starved for income. That&#8217;s the context in which we should interpret the importance of alms in Islam. He needed money!</p><blockquote><p><em>By no means shall you attain righteousness unless you give freely of that which you love, and whatever you give, Allah knows it well.</em>&#8212;<a href="https://sadaqah.io/blog/five-verses-of-the-quran-on-sadaqah/">Qur&#8217;an 3:92</a></p></blockquote><p>Alms became taxation, and Muhammad even sold its ROI:</p><blockquote><p><em>The example of those who spend their wealth in the way of Allah is like a seed [of grain] which grows seven spikes; in each spike is a hundred grains. And Allah multiplies [His reward] for whom He wills.&#8212;</em><a href="https://sadaqah.io/blog/five-verses-of-the-quran-on-sadaqah/">Qur&#8217;an 2:261</a></p></blockquote><p>The most important tax is the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat">zak&#257;t</a>, 2.5% of disposable income per year from wealthy-enough people. To me, this is a way for clan leaders to control more funds, as they could tax other wealthy clan members and control how that money would be used. A bit like a subscription: <em>If you pay into this community, we&#8217;ll be able to afford more good things for you and your clan.</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a></p><p>A core aspect of this is that the more powerful individuals get more benefits from this tax (clan leaders), while their juniors in power are just compelled to pay up.</p><p>This is why, when Muhammad died, there was <a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/riddah">a war</a>: The bedouins didn&#8217;t want to pay up<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> so they left the agreement they had with Muhammad, but they were defeated and forced by the richer, more powerful clans to keep paying.</p><p>Another way to see the zak&#257;t is pooling money for an investment: With more money, you can afford more warriors fighting for longer, which will then give you more booty to share with them and amongst yourselves.</p><h3>Violence</h3><p>As we said, when you eliminate so many internal boundaries, you can redeploy your forces to the external boundaries, so you end up with a much higher concentration of forces to attack neighbors.</p><p>The taxation enables funding for these attacks. The Quran is explicit about the mechanism here:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://legacy.quran.com/8/1">8:1</a> says the booty belongs to Allah, so no stealing</p></li><li><p><a href="https://quran.com/al-anfal/41">8:41</a> says 20% goes to the community (God, the Messenger, kin, orphans, the needy, and travelers. In practice, mostly leadership, dependents, political grants, and the emerging state), and 80% to the fighters.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://quran.com/al-hashr/6-7">59:6&#8211;7</a> says spoils without fighting go to the community.</p></li></ul><p>This gives an institutionalized method for everybody to be happy: The fighters pool their strength, they invade, sack, get a bounty, and share some with the organizers, who can keep expanding.</p><p>The problem with this is that it can quickly become a scorched-earth strategy, where if you don&#8217;t conquer more, you don&#8217;t have income to finance your armies, which then turn against you, or can&#8217;t maintain peace. So early Islam made sure to keep the local population intact instead of trying to replace it, kept freedom of religion, eliminated and replaced the elites, and charged them the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya">jizya</a>, another tax dedicated to non-Muslims, to fund the entire operation.</p><p>These taxes could be hefty. When Muhammad conquered the Jewish settlement of Khaybar, north of Medina, the annual tax was 50% of what was produced.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png" width="1200" height="801.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1069,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_Qhl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F650debe4-1ad7-49c2-be77-9fc25b7e9bcd_1600x1069.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The historic village of Khaybar, which I understand was majority Arab Jewish. I gather the houses used to be on hills to prepare for such visits as Muhammad&#8217;s.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Notice the pattern here: early on, Muhammad didn&#8217;t have power or money. He used his position as a respected external trader to broker peace in Medina, which gave him enough power to <em>raid</em> caravans, eventually taking Khaybar and its date production. He was converting military power into economic power, and every time he did, he could reuse the local resources to tax them, recruit new soldiers, or both.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png" width="1600" height="1248" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1248,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVsM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a3e4bf4-cb54-4d22-87b5-a1cd50b5c53b_1600x1248.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In effect, this meant warriors went from potential raiding threats to subjects of a standing army, with a stipend they could lose if they left. This became obvious in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_Wars">Ridda Wars</a>: When Muhammad died, many tribes seceded from Islam, but his successor Abu Bakr was able to harness the existing ones to subdue the secessionists and reunite Arabia.</p><h3>Desert Nomad Logistics</h3><p>Arabia naturally breeds the type of warrior that thrives in all the regions from Morocco to Iraq. The cornerstone is the camel, which can eat the type of vegetation in this area and store water to sustain long trips in the desert. They are quick and don&#8217;t need roads.</p><p>On top of that, Arabs had become careful water and grazing managers. They knew where to go to refuel, how much to take, and when to move on. They could move quickly from oasis to wadi, to fertile valley, not depleting their resources in the process. Compare that with European and Persian armies, which had to bring some of their food with them, had to feed the horses fodder besides the grass they ate on the way, and had an entire logistics train to manage to make all this happen.</p><h3>Garrison Towns</h3><p>Another innovation in violence that came a few years after Muhammad&#8217;s death was the garrison towns, such as Basra and Kufa in Iraq, and Fustat in Egypt.</p><p>Most armies were raised specifically for a conquest and then returned. This made the control of occupied lands difficult.</p><p>So other empires had garrisons too, but they tended to be either in existing cities or become cities themselves, and soldiers and locals commingled, which could dilute the force of the conqueror. Indeed, all the invasions that took place in Europe at that time from eastern hordes ended up with these hordes adopting the mores of the locals (Latin language, Christianism&#8230;) rather than the other way around. Not for the Muslims.</p><p>Early on, the Muslims made sure to keep the conquerors and conquered separate. This allowed for less corruption, more control over the local population, and keeping the soldiers more in line and easier to redeploy. And since they stayed put in these garrisons rather than coming back, they could maintain control of the lands taken over.</p><h3>Polygamy</h3><p>Whereas in Byzantium marriages were monogamous (because of Christianity), this had not percolated into the region. Muhammad didn&#8217;t adopt it in Islam, which might have been quite clever for the religion&#8217;s spread. Instead, he regulated polygamy, which had been too extreme before (too many wives per man). It limited men to four wives at any given time (so more wives could be taken sequentially).</p><p>Keeping polygamy had a couple of advantages. First, a conqueror could marry the daughters of several conquered elites to pacify them. The more wives they could have, the better. Muhammad had 11-13 wives. This was crucial to unite Arabia, as many of these wives were taken to cement the adhere of new clans to Islam.</p><p>Second, polygamy created a surplus of single men with no access to sex. If, say, <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/88d41dd4319848a98f594de9b3217740">~25%</a> of men were polygamous and they married on average three women, and 25% had one wife, then 50% of men would not have access to a woman.</p><p>Banning access to sex to lots of young males is a recipe for raids&#8212;they&#8217;re hunting for wives&#8212;so it made much more sense to repurpose their desires to attack foreigners. So Muhammad continued the practice that part of a soldiers&#8217; loot would include slaves, wives, and concubines.</p><p>The problem is if your soldiers fear dying in battle, they might not want to engage at all. So a great innovation of the Quran was <a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/6645ada99b6c4fb488d9852fb37e32c4">to conceive</a> beautiful, pure, virgin companions in heaven for true believers. A couple of centuries later, that would become the story of 72 virgins for religious martyrs.</p><h3>Succession</h3><p>By making allegiance to Allah and not just a person (himself), he made the new community outlast his own life.</p><p>But crucially, it wasn&#8217;t settled how the leadership of Islam would work, as Muhammad died suddenly.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a> This led to internecine wars for power, which sometimes are bad because they lead to civil wars (plenty of these in Islam), but on another side, they allow competitive forces to play within Islam: The religion can&#8217;t settle and rot from inside from a series of bad leaders, because there&#8217;s always some competing reading of Islam to challenge the current one.</p><h3>From Software to Hardware</h3><p>So these are some of the mechanisms that let Islam grow from a tiny settlement to taking over Arabia.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png" width="1600" height="1233" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1233,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSpP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20bb4885-416d-4da2-aabf-ba02972d1c76_1600x1233.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I&#8217;m not saying these mechanisms were purposefully designed. Whether they came from Allah via the Angel Gabriel, or Muhammad and his successors chose them (consciously or unconsciously), the fact is they were software ideal for fast spread.</p><p>I&#8217;m sure I got some of these mechanisms wrong, and that I&#8217;m missing a few more. If you have more, please share them! But these look like the most important parts of the software update that unleashed the potential of the Arab tribes.</p><p>At the right time.</p><h1>3. The Fall of Empires</h1><p>This was the region when Muhammad arrived.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png" width="1368" height="674" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:674,&quot;width&quot;:1368,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RIpJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d7d0a51-7d04-43b7-b961-e0436a13c211_1368x674.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The Byzantines were weak: Half of their empire had disappeared under the arrival of the hordes from the north and east: Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Franks, Goths, Huns... It spent its time warring with them, and with the Sassanids to the east.</p><p>It had remained mainly a maritime power, as you can guess from the map above. This exposed it dearly to land-based threats.</p><p>The Sassanids were also threatened to the east by similar nomadic tribes.</p><p>Crucially, the Byzantines and the Sassanids fought a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sasanian_War_of_602%E2%80%93628">terrible war</a> between 602 and 628, just as Muhammad was uniting Arabia. By the time Arabia it was completed in 633, the situation was:</p><ul><li><p>Two exhausted rivals</p></li><li><p>The plains of Egypt, the Levant, and Mesopotamia fully exposed to a neighboring power</p></li><li><p>Egypt and the Levant were especially exposed because their patron (Byzantium) was a naval power</p></li><li><p>Mesopotamia was very exposed because it was directly connected to Arabia, and the Sassanid Empire, aside from its exhaustion from the war with Byzantium, was fighting on its eastern side</p></li></ul><p>And this happened:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AaFf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F471d686b-cc56-4210-adf5-82806c942d64_1196x580.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AaFf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F471d686b-cc56-4210-adf5-82806c942d64_1196x580.gif" width="1196" height="580" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/471d686b-cc56-4210-adf5-82806c942d64_1196x580.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:580,&quot;width&quot;:1196,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The Rashidun Caliphate (the first four descendants of Muhammad) reached:</p><ul><li><p>In the north, the Levant and then Anatolia</p></li><li><p>In the east, Mesopotamia and then the Sassanid Empire</p></li><li><p>In the west, to Egypt, and then northern Africa</p></li></ul><p>As they grew, they could simply take over existing elites and keep the economic production and tax it.</p><p>The expansion across all of north Africa looks especially incredible, until you realize a couple of things:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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It&#8217;s focused in the three areas of Egypt, Cyrene, and Coastal Maghreb. All three were colonies of Byzantium (so not self-ruling), and all three were focused on sea threats rather than land threats.</p><p>Second, the Arabs were specialized in long treks across the desert. This didn&#8217;t fundamentally change their logistics.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-did-islam-spread-so-fast?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-did-islam-spread-so-fast?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><p>So this is how I understand that the Arabs went from a few clans in the mountains of a peripheral region to conquering one of the biggest empires of the time in a mere 30 years:</p><ul><li><p>Beyond Egypt, most of North Africa is a repeat of Arabia, so easy for Arabs to conquer, ad they&#8217;re naturally adapted to the terrain</p></li><li><p>Muhammad added new software to unite the clans and harness taxes, so that Islam had soldiers and money to fund wars</p></li><li><p>Three bordering lands (Egypt, Levant, Mesopotamia) were easy to conquer as they have few mountains to protect them and are close to Arabia: Egypt, the Levant, and Mesopotamia</p></li><li><p>There was a moment of unique weakness of the two regional powers, so Muslims could take parts of the otherwise hard-to-conquer Anatolia and Persia</p></li><li><p>There are large swaths with no water and settlements. North Africa is just Egypt, Cyrene, and northern Maghreb.</p></li></ul><p>How did Islam keep expanding? How did it invade Spain? Anatolia? Europe? How did it spread across east Africa? Southeast Asia? What&#8217;s the relation between Arab, Arabic, and Islam? How did they each spread in somewhat different places? That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re going to see next.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p><em>This is a highly scrutinized part of history, I welcome your feedback on what I got right or wrong!</em></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Slaves were probably from Abyssinia, present-day Ethiopia, as it&#8217;s mentioned in the text of the period, and the successor to Muhammad freed slaves. There was frankincense and myrrh trade in the region, but it probably bypassed Mecca and Medina and was traded via sea routes. There were not metals (gold, silver, copper), despite their presence in the region, because all evidence points to them being mined after the time of Muhammad, not before.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>There was a local oral tradition that claims regional trade pacts. Some have interpreted them as treaties between Mecca and kingdoms or empires like Byzantium, Persia, Yemen, or Ethiopia. But these are unlikely. First, there&#8217;s no document supporting this. Second, most trade in the region was by sea. Third, the overland trade was mostly by caravan, which meant that local protection and no taxes were much more important than treaties with distant powers.This doesn&#8217;t mean Mecca was a secondary hamlet in Arabia, because the rest of the region was equally unpopulated. Mecca had some regional connection through trade and pilgrimage, even if it was quite small compared to the standards of other regions at the time.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>There&#8217;s also a Bakkah named, which could be Mecca. Medina is mentioned once in the Quran. To be fair though, the Quran doesn&#8217;t mention cities much at all. Medina appears in more places in sources from antiquity, although usually in lists of places, not as a place of special importance. </em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>By predominant, here it means most people in the village were part of the clan one way or another.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The Quran says apostates should be seriously punished, especially in the afterlife, but it does not say the punishment for apostasy is death. This came later.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Whereas a tax nowadays is money that disappears from your pocket and you don&#8217;t have much of a say on how it&#8217;s spent aside from a vote every four years or so.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Whether the zakat or the &#8220;less obligatory&#8221; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadaqah">sadaqah</a>, which could be paid in livestock.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Some say due to poison from a Jewish lady from Khaybar.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[20 Ideas to Grow New Communities]]></title><description><![CDATA[Urbanism, art, sex, dating, religion, incentives, monuments, influencers, and more]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/20-ideas-to-grow-new-communities</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/20-ideas-to-grow-new-communities</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2026 12:03:37 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neAS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fae6b2874-268f-4699-ae9f-a1ed25651ee8_1600x1134.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This article is a follow-up to <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-cold-start-problem-of-new-cities">The Cold Start Problem of New Cities &amp; States</a>. Today, I&#8217;m going to focus on specific initiatives that new communities, cities, states, and Special Economic Zones (SEZs) can undertake to grow faster. I&#8217;m going to use Pr&#243;spera and the Network School as examples, as they&#8217;re the leading communities in this space, and I know them best.</em></p><p></p><h1>1. Don&#8217;t Split the Space into Different Enclaves</h1><p>Most of the value of a community comes from the serendipitous meeting of people. This is why Steve Jobs designed Apple&#8217;s HQ like he did:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neAS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fae6b2874-268f-4699-ae9f-a1ed25651ee8_1600x1134.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neAS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fae6b2874-268f-4699-ae9f-a1ed25651ee8_1600x1134.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!neAS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fae6b2874-268f-4699-ae9f-a1ed25651ee8_1600x1134.png 848w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Apple Park, Cupertino, California</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>A single space, completely connected, where you&#8217;d naturally meet people from other parts of the organization en route to the carpark, the restroom, the kitchen, the coffee shop&#8230;</p><p>For that reason, if you&#8217;re building a new community, it&#8217;s very important to keep everybody together. 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It has five enclaves: <a href="https://www.prosperaglobal.com/news/honduras-gets-nearshoring-boost-with-satuye-port">One in the continental port of Satuy&#233;</a> near La Ceiba, and four in Roat&#225;n (Beta District, Pristine Bay, areas in Port Royal, and a building in the main city).</p><p>The continental port makes sense, as it has a specific function connected to its geography.</p><p>But splitting the other ones is problematic, because each community ends up independent from the others and none benefit from network effects.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IJOG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe74f4db2-5940-4164-a9cc-f7cbf216362f_1600x1081.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IJOG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe74f4db2-5940-4164-a9cc-f7cbf216362f_1600x1081.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IJOG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe74f4db2-5940-4164-a9cc-f7cbf216362f_1600x1081.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IJOG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe74f4db2-5940-4164-a9cc-f7cbf216362f_1600x1081.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IJOG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe74f4db2-5940-4164-a9cc-f7cbf216362f_1600x1081.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IJOG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe74f4db2-5940-4164-a9cc-f7cbf216362f_1600x1081.png" width="1600" height="1081" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e74f4db2-5940-4164-a9cc-f7cbf216362f_1600x1081.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1081,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>You feel it every time you have to take a car to go from Pristine Bay to the Beta District.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9q1c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ac3c0a6-403b-48aa-9b09-15b0b7780d99_1600x723.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9q1c!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ac3c0a6-403b-48aa-9b09-15b0b7780d99_1600x723.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9q1c!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ac3c0a6-403b-48aa-9b09-15b0b7780d99_1600x723.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9q1c!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ac3c0a6-403b-48aa-9b09-15b0b7780d99_1600x723.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9q1c!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ac3c0a6-403b-48aa-9b09-15b0b7780d99_1600x723.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9q1c!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ac3c0a6-403b-48aa-9b09-15b0b7780d99_1600x723.png" width="1200" height="542.25" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1ac3c0a6-403b-48aa-9b09-15b0b7780d99_1600x723.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:723,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>If you stay in Pristine Bay, you&#8217;ll stumble upon plenty of other residents of Pristine Bay, but few of the Beta District ones. You need events that are interesting enough to pull you from one to the other, so serendipity is limited.</p><p>The Network School in Malaysia has the same issue, but milder.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png" width="1200" height="888.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1185,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UKyI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe859e1e7-6347-4ff8-9fb5-bc9b58a1607c_1600x1185.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Most people stay in a hotel or in apartment buildings nearby, in the southeast. The coworking space is 20m away walking. One place would be better than two, but at least the walking is healthy, you can meet people on the way from one to the other, and everyone lives and works in the same areas. I&#8217;m sure the founders tried, and this is what they could get, so good for them for making it happen, even if it&#8217;s not ideal.</p><h1>2. Don&#8217;t Build for Cars</h1><p>This is adjacent to what I just mentioned.</p><p>If you have a community that&#8217;s small enough to walk everywhere, people will see each other all the time and will all end up meeting each other. In a car, every time you encounter someone else, what you see is another car, not another person. The distance makes it hard to recognize each other, and impossible to talk.</p><p>It&#8217;s also much easier to go downstairs and walk five minutes than to use your car for every errand, so people with cars will go out less&#8212;and meet fewer people.</p><p>This is relevant for Pr&#243;spera, because although its two main enclaves are near each other, the road is basically the only viable path between them today. I walked along the beach from one to the other, which had some nice spots:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png" width="492" height="875.4448398576512" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:2000,&quot;width&quot;:1124,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:492,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kpT2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7cb8ecd6-415f-4bf5-821a-d6c0b6cedb46_1124x2000.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But also some less nice ones. And at night&#8230; Well, I&#8217;m not used to walking in pitch dark jungle, with its weird noises and the mud and the insects&#8230;</p><p>A better walking path between the two enclaves would be extremely beneficial to Pr&#243;spera. Unfortunately, it doesn't own that land, and I believe building a path there would be expensive, illegal, or both. Personally, if it was just expensive, I&#8217;d do it. The alternative I heard mentioned was a water taxi service. I think that&#8217;s the next best thing. Anything that can cut the commute from 20 minutes to 5.</p><h1>3. High Density</h1><p>These are Tokyo and Paris.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png" width="1600" height="575" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:575,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sqhh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0d6fa83-7e69-4982-b20c-ac67e2419426_1600x575.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Aside from no cars, these streets feel good because they have plenty of people and shops. The shops are a consequence of the people (who can pay for their services), and the people are a consequence of population density (providing enough customers per square km). The density of people, in turn, is a consequence of the tall buildings, which can house many people. In these cities, apartments are relatively small, but taller buildings can accommodate bigger apartments.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>Here, both Pr&#243;spera and Network School have had the right instincts.</p><p>NS houses people in a building originally designed as a hotel.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OlO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F91b0be94-11e5-4a62-85e1-a873412eb17e_1600x1403.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Cleverly, the bottom floors hide the parking garage, so there are no ugly parked cars taking up green space in Pr&#243;spera.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>But one building is not enough. The next step would be to build more like this one, near each other, so that all residents can mingle and become customers of local shops.</p><h1>4. Start with Cheap, Temporary Real Estate</h1><p>There&#8217;s a chicken-and-egg issue with real estate: With few citizens, why would you invest in good real estate? But without real estate, why would you go live somewhere? The result is that either real estate developers take huge risks, or candidate citizens must choose between moving into terrible housing or not moving in at all.</p><p>The solution to this is starting with temporary real estate. You can get <a href="https://www.yalacanvaslodges.com/">high-quality</a> <a href="https://glamphouse.eu/product-category/tents/barta-safari/">yurts</a> and <a href="https://autoline.info/-/sale/mobile-homes/Conwy-2000--26040815464119029500">houses</a> for <a href="https://www.okprefab.com/expandable-container-house-guide-2025-dimensions-layouts-prices-installation/">$10,000</a> <a href="https://autoline.info/-/auction/mobile-homes/The-Aspen--26040921303855416700">apiece</a>. Once you get a group of people living together and they decide they want to stay, you can make the bigger investment of long-term real estate.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png" width="1000" height="691" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:691,&quot;width&quot;:1000,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jr_g!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7da35bd6-f689-44ce-919d-258f704b52bc_1000x691.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>This type of prefab 40ft house costs ~$10k. It then needs +10&#8211;30% for insulation, windows, solar panels, terraces, and then shipping &amp; Installation. The idea for this section came from Daniel Thompson</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>15 more ideas: incentives, investments, monuments, influencers, dating, sex, religion, and more.</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Future of Fertility]]></title><description><![CDATA[Sheila is 25. She has 17 children.]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-future-of-fertility</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-future-of-fertility</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 08:57:57 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uw4v!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0df533af-bf5a-4867-b82a-d5852f6e41c7_1600x872.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Saturday, 10am, and Sheila wakes up to five little bodies crawling up into her bed:</p><blockquote><p>JOHN: <em>Good morning mama!<br></em>MUM: <em>Good morning sweethearts. How did you sleep?<br></em>FELICITY: <em>Veeery well! I love you mama!<br></em>MUM: <em>Ah, I love you too&#8230;</em></p></blockquote><p>The mum, Sheila, is 25.</p><blockquote><p>MUM: <em>Did you have breakfast already?</em><br>DARON: <em>Yes Mum, the six youngest all got their bottles.</em><br>MUM: <em>Thank you kiddo. What about you and your older siblings?</em><br>DARON: <em>We all had our Saturday scrambled eggs with tuna. AR1 made Javier and Cooper their additional egg whites. Melissa, Svetlana, and Bosoma are still sleeping.<br></em>MUM: <em>Thanks for keeping tabs on it. You&#8217;re the sweetest boy. I&#8217;m going to the gym, OK? We&#8217;re going to do something cool afterwards.<br></em>OLIVIA<em>: Cool! The botanical hike?</em><br>MUM: <em>Sure! AR2, AR3, can you make sure they&#8217;re all fed, clean, and dressed up by the time I come back? Also, please come up with a fun hike, 2 hours long, that can also teach the kids about plants.</em><br>AR2: <em>Of course</em><br>MUM: <em>OK bye!</em></p></blockquote><p>Sheila grabs her gym bag from the floor, leaves the house and closes the door with peace of mind, knowing that AR1, AR2, and AR3 will take good care of her 17 children.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uw4v!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0df533af-bf5a-4867-b82a-d5852f6e41c7_1600x872.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uw4v!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0df533af-bf5a-4867-b82a-d5852f6e41c7_1600x872.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Fertility is dropping around the world.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5Nie!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12a9c5a3-0078-425d-8cbc-2bf6bf53d46b_1600x1413.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5Nie!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12a9c5a3-0078-425d-8cbc-2bf6bf53d46b_1600x1413.png 424w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/12a9c5a3-0078-425d-8cbc-2bf6bf53d46b_1600x1413.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1413,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5Nie!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12a9c5a3-0078-425d-8cbc-2bf6bf53d46b_1600x1413.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5Nie!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12a9c5a3-0078-425d-8cbc-2bf6bf53d46b_1600x1413.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5Nie!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12a9c5a3-0078-425d-8cbc-2bf6bf53d46b_1600x1413.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5Nie!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12a9c5a3-0078-425d-8cbc-2bf6bf53d46b_1600x1413.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Nobody is sure of exactly why. It must be something universal, that happens everywhere, but at different moments, and it&#8217;s not clear what fits the evidence.</p><p>My take is quite simple: Humans are pretty rational, we don&#8217;t have children like we used to because:</p><ol><li><p>Having children is less useful</p></li><li><p>Childrearing is still a drag</p></li><li><p>Life has gotten better</p></li></ol><h3>A. Children Are Less Useful</h3><p>Before, if you didn&#8217;t have children to take care of you when you aged, you died faster and poorer. They were your social security, your insurance, and your retirement income.</p><p>But as the above sentence highlights, all these roles have been replaced by the state now. Less need for children.</p><h3>B. Childrearing Is Still Quite Painful</h3><p>It&#8217;s certainly better than it was before: Women and children are much less likely to die in childbirth, there are epidurals, C-sections, universal schooling, etc. But it&#8217;s still not great:</p><ul><li><p>Women still have to grow them in their belly and give birth</p></li><li><p>Parents still don&#8217;t sleep for a few months after birth</p></li><li><p>After that, parents must pay their kids lots of attention in the early years. Breastfeeding and/or preparing bottles, changing diapers, cleaning poop, putting to sleep, dressing, bathing&#8230; The moment-to-moment can be quite boring, and even soul-crushing.</p></li><li><p>Parents must then spend the rest of their lives worrying about their education, their grades, their clothes, their food, the money to finance it all&#8230;</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Uze!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb685ee53-580a-4dbf-b2d1-1c8ebe67841a_1600x1074.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Uze!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb685ee53-580a-4dbf-b2d1-1c8ebe67841a_1600x1074.png" width="1600" height="1074" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b685ee53-580a-4dbf-b2d1-1c8ebe67841a_1600x1074.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1074,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" 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When life is at stake, people have ways to make things happen.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png" width="1456" height="921" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:921,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:119805,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/i/194163324?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6E7Q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F059d6e54-0b4d-4492-aa78-ef75485ce1e6_2298x1454.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And on top of this, we had the massive increase in the cost of opportunity.</p><h3>C. Life Has Gotten Better</h3><p>Life is so much better now: better food, better shelter, more security, more education, more healthcare, more job opportunities, more entertainment, more travel&#8230; Life today is awesome compared to yesteryear.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7fcX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff44d572f-9c3c-425c-a102-d9340e35abbb_1390x1708.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7fcX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff44d572f-9c3c-425c-a102-d9340e35abbb_1390x1708.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The better life gets (especially for women) and the more alternatives they have, the less they want to have children.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Xv1A!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272125b1-b563-469b-aada-889af8705ca4_1600x1222.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Xv1A!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272125b1-b563-469b-aada-889af8705ca4_1600x1222.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Xv1A!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272125b1-b563-469b-aada-889af8705ca4_1600x1222.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Xv1A!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272125b1-b563-469b-aada-889af8705ca4_1600x1222.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Xv1A!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272125b1-b563-469b-aada-889af8705ca4_1600x1222.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Xv1A!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F272125b1-b563-469b-aada-889af8705ca4_1600x1222.png" width="1600" height="1222" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So the cost and benefit of children have gone down, but the cost of opportunity has exploded. That means parents would rather enjoy life, and fertility craters.</p><p>But the high costs of having children are about to crash.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png" width="1600" height="1077" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1077,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rU1l!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c3dabe5-4871-48d1-b30d-9e107f72b388_1600x1077.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h1>1. Conceiving</h1><p>Right now, to conceive you need to have sex and be lucky enough to conceive. That&#8217;s enjoyable for many, but many people struggle and have to go through in-vitro fertilization. This means several rounds of injecting themselves with hormones for weeks at a time, until the woman undergoes surgery to extract the eggs. Often, that fails too.</p><p>When the egg retrieval works, many are of poor quality. Of those with high quality, many will not be fertilized by high-quality sperm, so they won&#8217;t be viable anyways. After 3+ rounds of IVF, only ~50% of couples have a successful pregnancy.</p><p>When conception works, it frequently comes with problems. <a href="https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298">10% to 20%</a> of pregnancies end in miscarriage. <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/birth-defects/data-research/facts-stats/index.html">3%</a> of babies are born with birth defects. Of those that don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s a lottery of whether they are healthy, strong, intelligent, happy&#8230;</p><p>All of these problems will be resolved.</p><p><a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanogw/article/PIIS3050-5038(25)00052-4/fulltext">In-Vitro Gametogenesis</a> will soon allow us to take any cell (eg, from the skin) and convert it into gametes, which we can then pair with high-quality gametes from the other sex to form millions of embryos.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sJAD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8965cda-9adc-4c89-b1f6-c0ed89c401c0_800x600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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In the future, a single family could produce all this  and select the most viable ones to grow.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>After a few days of development, companies like <a href="https://www.herasight.com/">Herasight</a> will test which ones have the highest genetic quality (many times, quality genetic factors go together), and for the remaining embryos, parents will be able to calculate the tradeoffs: <em>Would I rather 4 more IQ points, or a 70% lower probability of cardiovascular diseases?</em></p><p>Parents will thus be able to generate as many high-quality embryos as they want.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>Another thing that might be compelling about this is that it makes it much easier to be a single parent, as it&#8217;s trivial to get, say, skin cells from a consenting person. If a mother (or father) wants to bring up children alone, with friends, or with extended family, they can have children who have different sets of parents.</p><p>Eventually, genetic code might be enough to generate embryos, as we might be able to print DNA molecules from one person or another, or parts of the genetic code of several people, specific types of efficient mitochondria, etc. We&#8217;ll be able to take the best genetic code for our children, and mix as much of it as we want with those of the parent. Two gays (male or female) will be able to have children with 50% of the DNA of each. We can conceive families made of several parents, each one of which shares a fraction of the child&#8217;s DNA. What if ten people got together to have 20 children, each of which had a share of DNA of each adult?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png" width="1200" height="656.25" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/da683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:875,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fD_2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda683ba3-aa98-47e9-bd68-4ae9e2309818_1600x875.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h1>2. Pregnancy and Birth</h1><p>Today, after day 8 or so, embryos are implanted into a woman&#8217;s womb, where they grow until at least week 24 or so&#8212;ideally, full term, after which the mother has to give birth.</p><p>This is dangerous: For many women, pregnancy is uncomfortable and risky, and it can neutralize them for up to nine months, after which they go through a traumatic event (birth), which can kill them (<a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/maternal-mortality">~0.2%</a> of pregnancies). Those who survive might have vaginal tearing, anal tearing, incontinence, prolapses&#8230; Many women then have postnatal depression (&#8220;baby blues&#8221;).</p><p>The reason we must implant into a human uterus is regulatory and scientific. Today, we have the technology to keep growing embryos until Day 13, and we haven&#8217;t done more because it&#8217;s illegal.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> Foetuses can survive after Week 24 and until Week 40+, so we just need to extend the artificial womb capabilities between Weeks 2 and 24 (the remaining 55% of pregnancy), which requires the ability to grow embryos beyond Day 13.</p><p>Scientists have been able to push into both ends of this cycle with mammals: implanting a fetus after the 14 day equivalent for humans and extracting it into an artificial womb before the 24 week equivalent.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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If we try, we&#8217;ll be able to do it in the coming decades.</p><h1>3. Early Childcare</h1><p>Parenting a young child is brutal. You don&#8217;t sleep more than 4 hours straight. The little monster wakes up every couple of hours screaming. You don't know whether he cries because he&#8217;s hungry, tired, bored, scared, thirsty, dirty&#8230; You do whatever you can to figure it out. If he doesn&#8217;t cry, you&#8217;re even MORE concerned: Is he dead of SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome)? All this while you still must do the groceries, get the baby&#8217;s paperwork done, prep the formula, cook for yourself, wash the clothes, clean the house, buy the gear you&#8217;re missing&#8230;</p><p>Rich families employ humans to do all this, starting with the night nanny that helps them get sleep. But none of this is impossibly mysterious work. It&#8217;s pretty straightforward, just tiring. Humanoid robots and AIs will be perfect for it. It looks like we&#8217;re going to have them in less than a decade, so starting then, early childcare will be a matter of how many robots you can afford and how efficiently they work. The more robots we buy, the more their cost will drop, and the more we will be able to automate this.</p><h1>4. Later Childcare</h1><p>As they grow up, you need to cook for them, buy them clothes, watch out for them, push them to study, clean up their rooms, pack up, get dressed, undressed, brush their teeth, go to bed, take them to school, to their extracurriculars&#8230;</p><p>Currently, the solutions for childcare are either nannies or school. But they&#8217;re both expensive, and neither is perfect.</p><p>Humanoid robots will never tire, you will be able to have many, you will be able to combine them with other robots like self-driving cars to take children to school, and all these time-consuming tasks will disappear.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png" width="1200" height="659.25" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:879,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B7xf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f12b17-53c1-43a3-955f-28d2af093764_1600x879.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>When I first thought about this, I wondered: Is this dystopic? I conclude it&#8217;s not. Many families who can afford it have employees who help them with all these chores. As a parent, you&#8217;ll be able to decide which ones you want to keep doing and which ones you&#8217;d like to outsource to robots. For example, I wouldn&#8217;t want to outsource the bedtime routine, but picking up from school, changing clothes, doing the laundry, cooking, serving dinner, cleaning afterwards, and many similar tasks are much better outsourced for me. If I had 10 children instead of 4, I might need a robot to help, but I&#8217;d be managing it.</p><h1>5. Education</h1><p>Education is the other massive time sink for parents. School is not enough to push people to their maximum potential, which is why parents also get involved. Even a single child might be overwhelming, though, because children learn best with one-on-one tutoring, as we&#8217;ll see in a future article. Robots and AI tutors will be able to tutor children much better than parents and teachers, giving parents peace of mind about their children&#8217;s education.</p><h1>6. Family Coordination</h1><p>Conceiving and coordinating all the activities of a small family is a nightmare, imagine if you have 10 children instead of 2. From <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-is-fertility-down-and-how-much">my article</a> on this topic:</p><blockquote><p><em>Do the children have enough food to eat? Does the fridge have the ingredients? Are their vaccines in order? Do they have the flu or something worse? Are their documents in order? Who will they have playdates with? AIs are already becoming personal assistants. It&#8217;s trivial to imagine them as family assistants, which will further reduce the cost of having children.</em></p></blockquote><h1>Why Have Kids Then?</h1><p>If we take out all this work, you might wonder: What&#8217;s even the point of having children? If you take out all this work, do you even really want to have these children? Do you care about them?</p><p>I actually think these chores are not the main source of happiness and connection with your children. Sure, telling them to clean up again and again contributes a little bit to connection, but also, if you eliminate all these moments, that gives parents much more time to focus on the moments that matter: dinner, reading a bedtime story, holidays, travel, conversations about the world&#8230; These are the most pleasurable and fulfilling moments for both children and parents.</p><p>Here&#8217;s a fact you might have noticed if you&#8217;ve had a nanny: Children quickly forget most of them. Even if they spent years with them, they become a distant memory after a few years. They don&#8217;t care if they stop seeing them altogether.</p><p>Conversely, a child who was abandoned by their mother or father will dwell on it all their lives.</p><p>This tells you that chores are not that important, and that the figure of the parent is intrinsically important for the child. And the child is one of the biggest conceivable sources of fulfillment for the parent, so it&#8217;s a win-win.</p><p>Another important fact: Children appear much needier than they actually are. <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/family-wars">Humans are evolved</a> to appear super needy to their parents as children, because that way the parents overinvest in them, and they don&#8217;t have time for any more children. This was crucial for survival in the past, because fewer children meant more food per child. What this means is it&#8217;s OK not to give your children all the attention they demand. They won&#8217;t turn bad.</p><p>Having more children will dilute a little bit the intensity of the relationship with each, but the additional love more than counterbalances it.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N4mx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7763c376-5ca2-4a6e-af4b-c64f03eb1543_1600x1149.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N4mx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7763c376-5ca2-4a6e-af4b-c64f03eb1543_1600x1149.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N4mx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7763c376-5ca2-4a6e-af4b-c64f03eb1543_1600x1149.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N4mx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7763c376-5ca2-4a6e-af4b-c64f03eb1543_1600x1149.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N4mx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7763c376-5ca2-4a6e-af4b-c64f03eb1543_1600x1149.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Very sciency quantification</em></figcaption></figure></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h1>How Many Children Will We Have in the Future Then?</h1><p>You can see there are actually many variables at play here:</p><ul><li><p>Benefits to having children might go down a very tiny bit because more help at home reduces slightly the attachment to each. Still, the benefits will remain huge because there&#8217;s little that&#8217;s more fulfilling than the love of a child.</p></li><li><p>Costs to having children are going to plummet at each stage though, from conception to education. This means the ROI of having children will go through the roof.</p></li><li><p>Most notably, this will free so much time for parents that they won&#8217;t have to choose between children and enjoying life.</p></li></ul><p>In some ways, this will simply bring to the masses the fertility that only rich people can comfortably afford.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png" width="1300" height="975" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:975,&quot;width&quot;:1300,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AZst!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43f1c178-759c-437b-9f92-53463ac11d2d_1300x975.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So how many children will we have? It depends.</p><ul><li><p>Some people will still think the hassle of children won&#8217;t be worth it, either because they don&#8217;t value children, because they don&#8217;t want to do it alone and can&#8217;t find a partner, or any other reason.</p></li><li><p>Many people who love children now, but can&#8217;t commit to parenthood because of the toll on their health and quality of life, will be able to have (many?) more than none.</p></li><li><p>At the extreme, some people who truly love children and want to have as many as they can will now be unbridled. Families of 10, 20, 50, 100 children might become possible.</p></li></ul><p>The distribution of children per woman might look like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png" width="1600" height="745" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:745,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QSpR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8f9bbf5-0927-4c13-aadc-67d5c599b0d0_1600x745.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Actuals for today are not made up (in the US, up till 3 children per woman). After that, there&#8217;s very little data, so I had to make it up</em></figcaption></figure></div><ul><li><p>Some people might still decide to have no children because they simply don&#8217;t want to.</p></li><li><p>But many of those who remain childless today might decide to have children: With a much lower cost of parenthood, they might jump in even if they&#8217;re not partnered, or just to try.</p></li><li><p>Families with one or two children today because it&#8217;s so much work might decide to have one or two more.</p></li><li><p>Families who have three or more children today really do love children, and have fewer than they wish they had. They might go for four, five, six, seven&#8230;</p></li><li><p>The type of family who is already having eight or ten children will be completely unbridled.</p></li></ul><p>This last group is interesting, because what stopped many of these families from having more children before was probably the cost: on the mother&#8217;s body, the parents&#8217; attention, or simply the economics of paying for school, clothes, food, and shelter.</p><p>But as we said, most of these constraints will be released in the future.</p><p>School will become near-free AI school. Childcare will be done by robots. Clothes are already quite cheap, and will be cheaper. Children of the same approximate ages can share them. Food costs will shrink in the coming decades, as we&#8217;ll have energy and robotic abundance, which will allow for <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-promise-of-vertical-farming">vertical</a> <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-can-vertical-farms-become-viable">farms</a> to <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-future-of-food-from-first-principles">produce</a> lots of good, cheap food.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><p>So what will become the new constraint to having children? The one thing we&#8217;re not going to be making more of is land. A family with 100 children doesn&#8217;t need a home with 100 rooms though, children could share rooms four at a time, or there can be dormitories. But they still need physical space. Today, we think in terms of housing in cities, where it&#8217;s expensive because:</p><ul><li><p>The land is in high demand</p></li><li><p>Construction costs are high due to high regulatory requirements</p></li></ul><p>But a family with 100 children would probably prefer living in a rural area, or with similar families, so real estate will be cheaper than we assume today.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-ONX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7e5e817-4bc6-4a33-8dec-b7e51e3b7ea0_2826x1884.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The other thing we&#8217;re not making more of is attention. So maybe the new limiting factor won&#8217;t be economic, but how many children we just want to have and create a connection with. Most people might stop at 2-10 children for that reason, but I&#8217;m sure some families will love having many more. As an interesting real-world proxy, it&#8217;s interesting to know that a Russian woman had <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children">69 children</a>. My thesis here is that we&#8217;re anchored on what was possible until now, so families of more than 10 children sound like an aberration to us. But the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number">Dunbar number</a> (a cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships) gives us a good sense of the actual limit of a community. I bet there will be families with 150 children.</p><p>If the points above are true, it would only take very few couples having a lot of children for the fertility crisis to completely evaporate, and in fact become a radical fertility boom.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png" width="1600" height="1473" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1473,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cHvQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7a3f1e-38e3-4cd5-8d9f-7ec41bca37f7_1600x1473.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>What are the consequences of this?</p><ol><li><p>I am skeptical of the fertility collapse narrative. It will take decades for it to really hit, and lots of things can happen in decades.</p></li><li><p>People who mourn never having children will practically disappear. This is dear to my heart, as having children is one of the most fulfilling things people can experience.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p></li><li><p>Families with many more children than today might become more common in the future.</p></li><li><p>Families with dozens and dozens of children, practically unheard of today, will become something we hear about, and get to experience first hand.</p></li><li><p>Families with 100+ children will exist.</p></li><li><p>If it&#8217;s true, real estate might suffer a lull in the coming decades as fertility decline continues, but afterwards it might go stratospheric.</p></li><li><p>If that&#8217;s the case, urbanism will have to change. We&#8217;ll need <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/100-billion-humans">more cities with taller buildings</a>.</p></li><li><p>This is another reason to colonize Mars and build space habitats.</p></li><li><p>We might be able to select human embryos / engineer them to make life on Mars more feasible. For example, bodies that can withstand a lower gravity, a few more unprotected solar rays, or an ultracold environment.</p></li><li><p>If you really care about the fertility collapse, go work in one of the industries I&#8217;m mentioning above.</p></li><li><p>If you&#8217;re a politician, or work in media, work to release the limits on research in artificial wombs and blastocyte development.</p></li><li><p>All of this assumes AI won&#8217;t change fertility dramatically.</p></li></ol><p>Yes, Sheila, from the beginning of the article, is possible. She might become one of many women&#8212;or men&#8212;who simply go along with their lives in a new type of happy family.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-future-of-fertility?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-future-of-fertility?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>And in case this makes you uncomfortable, just know that at that point the cells are undifferentiated, meaning they&#8217;re just a handful of identical cells, not very different from the original skin cells that might have been extracted for the process.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Aria Shrecker writes in detail about artificial wombs <a href="https://worksinprogress.co/issue/womb-for-improvement/">here</a></em>.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The two main costs of vertical farms are labor and energy. If you shrink these, they will have a tremendous advantage over traditional farms, as vertical farms waste much less fertilizer, water, and use less land.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>If you don&#8217;t want to have children, good for you! But if you do, what a horrible thing to not be able to have them.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Cold Start Problem of New Cities & States]]></title><description><![CDATA[There are not enough countries. Not enough cities or jurisdictions. Here's how we can grow new ones faster.]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-cold-start-problem-of-new-cities</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-cold-start-problem-of-new-cities</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2026 14:46:07 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c7x1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fa4668e-6d13-4680-af2a-87dcafb79aab_1600x1125.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are not enough countries.<br>There are not enough jurisdictions. <br>There are not enough new cities. </p><p>This is terrible, because entrenched interests freeze governments over time. They make change impossible; you can&#8217;t easily update regulation. We end up with the sclerotic democracies and enshittified cities we suffer in the West.</p><p>But this is new! Just a century ago, regulations were light, and vast swaths of continents, including America, Africa, Asia, and Australia, barely had any. The growth of the 20<sup>th</sup> century was in part because of this freedom. No more.</p><p>But some people are not satisfied with the status quo. Across the world, visionary founders are building new cities and jurisdictions near Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Rio de Janeiro, San Francisco, on the Honduran island of Roat&#225;n, on islands off the African shore, near Nairobi&#8230; They dream of a better world where the government doesn&#8217;t impose all its answers on its citizens, where they&#8217;re treated not as subjects but as customers, where regulatory exploration is welcome.</p><p>I&#8217;ve traveled the world to talk with dozens of them over the last year and a half. In every conversation, the atmosphere has been electric. I feel like I&#8217;m witnessing history in the making, like when the founding fathers were crafting the US Constitution.</p><p>But when their vision meets the reality on the ground, these leaders share one problem: How do we grow a new city or jurisdiction from scratch?</p><p>Today, I&#8217;m putting everything I know in one piece, to help them&#8212;and you&#8212;think about this problem. Hopefully, this will accelerate the process and we&#8217;ll have hundreds of new jurisdictions in the coming decades. Maybe it will inspire you to move to one.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>I traveled to many of the places covered in this article to get you the news from the ground. If you want more of this type of reporting, support Uncharted Territories!</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c7x1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fa4668e-6d13-4680-af2a-87dcafb79aab_1600x1125.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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I gave speeches at all three over the last ~6 months.</em></figcaption></figure></div><h1>The Cold Start Problem of New Cites &amp; States</h1><p>How do you compete against New York, Madrid, Singapore, or Tokyo?</p><p>When you have millions of creative professionals, good schools, shops, museums, airports, highways, buses, gyms, IKEAs, cinemas, theaters, restaurants, sports facilities, parks, swimming pools&#8230; It&#8217;s easy to attract thousands of ambitious young people to participate in civic life and add their value. But what if you&#8217;re the president of Liberland?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png" width="1200" height="735" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:980,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QHdK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F98f1dd5d-5428-480c-80e5-6750d2017174_1600x980.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The average person doesn&#8217;t want to go to an empty piece of land between two countries, devoid of schools, shops, restaurants, or even houses! It&#8217;s much easier to grow a city from 1,000,000 people to 1,000,100, than from 0 to 100, because of network effects.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png" width="1600" height="924" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:924,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0D7E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F540c6abf-7483-466f-ac24-c6572ac01787_1600x924.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>If a community has only one person and adds a second one, this person only adds a little bit of value because she can only help the first one, and the odds that she&#8217;s useful are low. But if a city already has one million people, one new person can probably help many other people in the city, so she&#8217;s much more valuable.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This is the resulting value of cities:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png" width="1600" height="1257" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1257,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v1U0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ebee0ad-bd68-4d5e-8f4d-bd1d10a7151d_1600x1257.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is why the bigger a city, the fewer such cities exist: The bigger ones suck in all the population from their surroundings. The bigger they are, the more they attract.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png" width="855" height="741" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:741,&quot;width&quot;:855,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VvLa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01e9807-3f2c-4bf4-bd61-b6af17e9fa1c_855x741.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Horizontally, cities are ranked based on their size, so the biggest cities are New York [log(1)=0], then comes Mumbai, etc. Their population is in the vertical axis. Both axes are logarithmic, showing that there are very few cities at the top, and the smaller the city size, the more of such cities there are. <a href="https://brenocon.com/blog/2009/05/zipfs-law-and-world-city-populations/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This suggests that it&#8217;s hard to go from 1 citizen to 10, which is as hard as going from 10 to 100, from 100 to 1000, and so on, because bigger and bigger cities are rarer and rarer, in an exponential way. Every order of magnitude of growth is as hard as the previous one.</p><p>Going from 1 to a small city of 10,000 means 4 orders of magnitude of difficulty. This is the cold start problem: When something is worthless when it&#8217;s small but very valuable when it&#8217;s big, how do you get from small to big? It&#8217;s hard to start a city from scratch! How do you solve it?</p><h1>The Dubais &amp; Singapores</h1><p>The sacred blueprints that all new cities want to emulate are Singapore and Dubai, two city-states that grew from early 1900s backwaters to some of the richest places on Earth. How?</p><h3>Dubai</h3><p>Dubai doesn&#8217;t seem as amazing today as it was a few months ago, given the Iranian attacks, but I would argue that it doesn&#8217;t change anything: Dubai is as exposed as other capitals in the region like Riyadh, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, or Doha. If anything, it&#8217;s a target <em>because </em>it&#8217;s so successful.</p><p>I covered <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/dubai">the city here</a>: In the early 1900s, it enlarged its creek, provided free warehouse space for goods, eliminated trade taxes, and guaranteed security for all trading ships. This is the result people know:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BjOR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220e48fe-efa6-4f78-8139-4a41bb346721_1480x1070.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BjOR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220e48fe-efa6-4f78-8139-4a41bb346721_1480x1070.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BjOR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220e48fe-efa6-4f78-8139-4a41bb346721_1480x1070.png 848w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BjOR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220e48fe-efa6-4f78-8139-4a41bb346721_1480x1070.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BjOR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220e48fe-efa6-4f78-8139-4a41bb346721_1480x1070.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BjOR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220e48fe-efa6-4f78-8139-4a41bb346721_1480x1070.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But this inflection point hides the true reality:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png" width="1480" height="1104" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lhMN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F489189f0-b646-4f62-ab28-72a5949dd2aa_1480x1104.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It took two centuries of growth, including over a century of constant support for these policies, for Dubai to win. We can see our rule at play here: Every order of magnitude of growth took the same amount of time as the previous one.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png" width="1210" height="584" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:584,&quot;width&quot;:1210,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R3EQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45c85ef4-b93e-4f57-83aa-255e59a03d84_1210x584.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Dubai&#8217;s Jebel Ali port</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Dubai solved its cold-start problem through a century-long commitment to cater to tradesmen. First came the shipping companies, followed by the merchants of the goods transported by the shippers. Merchants need loans and currency exchange and insurance, so a finance industry emerged. They need a strong administration with an efficient police force that keeps the peace and prevents theft, a working judicial system to adjudicate conflicts, a bureaucracy that can keep norms nimble, good schools and healthcare systems to serve all these people.</p><h3>Singapore</h3><p>I&#8217;ll write a deeper article on Singapore at some point, but here&#8217;s a short summary of its growth.</p><p>Everybody thinks Singapore was a backwater when it got its independence from Malaysia in 1965, but this is not the case. Why did it become independent? Because it had a majority of ethnic Chinese citizens. Any why is that, given that Singapore is 2,500 km away from China? Because it had been the major British port in the region for centuries. When Lee Kuan Yew assumed leadership in 1965, he did an amazing job in developing the nearly 2M people who already lived there and the logistics hub he inherited.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png" width="1600" height="1066" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1066,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NVBR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40d080ba-c7da-43e5-a57e-24888468c24b_1600x1066.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Port SEZs</h3><p>Dubai, Singapore, but also Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Shanghai&#8230; They all followed the same pattern: convert a village into a port via SEZs (Special Economic Zones) with low taxes and administrative burden, services for shipping and trade, and safety. From there, growing investment in infrastructure to make operations easier and easier. From there to finance, other industries, and a growing population thanks to network effects.</p><p>Many cities try to emulate this today.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png" width="1200" height="570.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:761,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!stF0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dbe7409-4fe2-4f18-8cf5-4f58002fce52_1600x761.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Map of SEZs in the world. Not all of these are portuary. <a href="https://www.openzonemap.com/map">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Which parts of the world are most promising for locating new cities or city-states? I&#8217;ll cover this in another article, but the short answer is that there aren&#8217;t that many ideal spots, and we only need so many ports. We need another model for growing new cities. How do you most successfully go from 1 to 10,000 inhabitants?</p><h1>Customer Needs</h1><p>Cities must attract customers&#8212;inhabitants. What do they need?</p><ol><li><p>Nice, affordable housing</p></li><li><p>As little crime as possible</p></li><li><p>Good transportation infrastructure</p></li><li><p>Reliable utilities: energy, water, phone, Internet</p></li><li><p>Core services: education and healthcare</p></li><li><p>As many amenities as possible</p></li><li><p>A dating pool</p></li><li><p>Jobs</p></li></ol><p>Some of these are better in small cities, others in big cities. However, some matter more than others. How does that translate into competitive advantages?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png" width="1516" height="1213" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1213,&quot;width&quot;:1516,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZdHf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49aa73fb-f009-4950-a092-de95b7f9d969_1516x1213.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>I made this up to convey the idea.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>This is probably the most important graph of this article. If you understand it, you&#8217;ll get the challenges for small cities to grow into big ones.</p><h3>The Advantages of Tiny Communities</h3><p>Tiny communities (tens to low hundreds of people) can get affordable housing, good utilities, and low crime:</p><ul><li><p>Utilities (water, electricity, Internet, phone) are now as easy to get in small cities as big ones, so there&#8217;s no competitive advantage: Get Internet and phone with Starlink, electricity with solar panels and batteries, and water from a local well or source, with a water treatment system if needed.</p></li><li><p>Crime is less in smaller communities, since everybody knows each other, and the communities can easily vet newcomers. A few guards can solve any problem from external communities.</p></li><li><p>Housing tends to be much cheaper in small areas because land is cheaper.</p></li><li><p>It&#8217;s easy to shape a small community&#8217;s culture: You can hand-pick the people, hand-craft the events, hand-build the environment to nudge people&#8217;s behaviors, and it&#8217;s small enough that virtually everybody knows everybody else, creating a tight feeling of belonging. This is the exact opposite of a megapolis, where people can be alone in the midst of multitudes, and loneliness is rampant.</p></li></ul><h3>The Advantages of Small Towns</h3><p>Small towns, with high hundreds to a few thousand people, retain most of the benefits of tiny communities, and add new benefits as they grow:</p><ul><li><p>You need a few hundred citizens to warrant a school. Before that, you&#8217;re basically blocked from attracting families. When solutions like AI education and humanoid robot caretakers become widespread, this will change.</p></li><li><p>With a few hundred citizens, you also get amenities like a gym, restaurant, bar, or supermarket.</p></li><li><p>A clinic needs a few thousand citizens.</p></li><li><p>Competition between schools starts with tens of thousands of citizens.</p></li><li><p>Hospitals and universities require several tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of people.</p></li><li><p>If citizens are like-minded, a few hundred to a few thousand people is enough to start finding partners: After all, we lived in small villages forever and were still able to couple up. If you&#8217;ve ever lived on a college campus or in a small town, you might have felt the <em>fishbowl effect</em>: As time passes, the few options available <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect">become</a> more and more attractive. That said, I fear the fishbowl effect is weakened with the current access to world standards of attractiveness via Instagram and the like. It makes it harder to settle for whoever is available.</p></li></ul><h3>The Killer Advantage of Big Cities</h3><ul><li><p>Amenities grow dramatically with population size. You get a variety of restaurants, shops, gyms, doctors, dentists, lawyers, repairs&#8230;</p></li><li><p>Transportation can get congested as cities grow, but at least they get airports, train stations, highways, and the like. If you need to travel the world, you need an international airport within 1-2h.</p></li><li><p>Dating pools become super deep in big cities. Anybody can find someone they like. However, choice can become overwhelming, so I don&#8217;t think dating gets exponentially better with bigger populations.</p></li></ul><p>But the most important factor, by far, is jobs.</p><p>Jobs pay for everything else. They are the main reason why people move to big cities, for economic opportunity. And the network effects are massive:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><ul><li><p>The more businesses, the more likely a person can find a position that suits their unique skills. And vice-versa: The more workers, the more businesses can find the right employee for them.</p></li><li><p>Workers and businesses can both specialize more.</p></li><li><p>With more job opportunities, the time needed to find a good job is shorter, so there&#8217;s less unemployment.</p></li><li><p>As companies develop specialized knowledge, it spreads to other companies through observation, informal conversations, and job hopping.</p></li><li><p>Industry clusters can appear as suppliers start colocating with vendors to reduce costs. Cities integrate vertically.</p></li><li><p>Because of all this, people are more productive in cities, which earns them higher wages, so there are more amenities and more companies and more jobs, which attract more people.</p></li></ul><p>Knowing this, how can a new city go from 1 person to 10, 100, then 1,000, and 10,000 and beyond? This is a problem tech companies have been facing for over a quarter century now to get their digital communities to grow. We can learn a lot from them.</p><h1>The Cold Start Problem in Tech Marketplaces</h1><p>Imagine that Uber has just arrived in your city. You download the app, open it and see no drivers available, so you close it and never open it again. If you&#8217;re a potential driver, the same thing happens: You open the app, get barely one or two rides per week, realize this isn&#8217;t worth your time and close the app forever.</p><p>Uber is a marketplace where supply (drivers) and demand (riders) meet, but they need a critical mass to be viable: Enough drivers must know there will be riders available, and vice-versa. Without critical mass, there are no network effects, and the marketplace dies.</p><p>So instead, Uber doesn&#8217;t start by operating everywhere. It specifically launches in every city, one by one. But the launch isn&#8217;t limited to a simple announcement. If it was, Uber would get a few drivers and riders on launch day, but not enough to make it profitable for drivers and valuable for riders, and it would die out.</p><p>That&#8217;s why an Uber launch in a new city is a much bigger deal: For weeks or months in advance, it recruits drivers and pays them, whether they get rides or not, just for being available. That way, there will be enough drivers on launch day for an amazing experience and riders will come back again in the future. Meanwhile, drivers need enough riders on launch day to know this will be a viable business for them, so Uber creates a big launch campaign to raise rider awareness, including discounts to lure riders to try the service.</p><p>This model is effective in all network effects businesses. When Bank of America launched credit cards, it didn&#8217;t do it nationally, because not enough people would have them, and not enough businesses would accept them. So instead they launched in Fresno, California, because 45% of families already banked with them. It provided the devices to read the credit cards to businesses, and it mailed 60,000 unrequested cards at once to its customers.</p><p>Tinder launched at the University of Southern California and then repeated its playbook campus by campus. Facebook launched at Harvard. Once everybody used it there, people in other Ivy League universities wanted in. Once the Ivy League was conquered, students from other universities wanted in, too. Then, high school students wanted access. Once they had it, their parents wanted it, too.</p><p>You can see the logic here: Take one vertical and saturate it, before moving on to the next. Because a network is never completely homogeneous: It has subnetworks that are much more tightly connected than others. Tackle these, and the subnetwork (&#8220;vertical&#8221;) will join, see plenty of value, and then move on to adjacent verticals.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png" width="1024" height="1024" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1024,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mWeX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d082455-b7bf-431f-849d-430197f7bc46_1024x1024.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Social networks have sub-social networks. Instead of tackling the entire network, tackle sub-networks and try to get them all onto your platform. For that, try to tackle the most important nodes in a network. <a href="https://griffsgraphs.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-facebook-network/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Depending on the industry, you might have to focus on the supply side, the demand side, or both. Uber focuses on getting supply (drivers) ready for when demand hits on launch day. OpenTable also focused on the supply side by making software for restaurants to manage their tables and reservations. Once they had lots of restaurant tables on their platform, they opened up to diner reservations over the Internet. LinkedIn did the opposite: By gathering online resumes, they had lots of demand for jobs that became very valuable for recruiters (suppliers of jobs), who joined later.</p><p>What are the equivalents for new communities and cities? What are the verticals, the supply and demand? What tactics from tech marketplaces can we apply to cities?</p><h1>Customer Segments: Who Can Early Cities Cater To?</h1><p>There are three obvious segments, but none are straightforward.</p><h3>Young People</h3><p>Trying to attract young people sounds like a great idea: They don&#8217;t have dependents, can travel solo, they take more risks&#8230; If you target the rugged, adventurous, idealistic type, they might be willing to make do with minimal housing options and few amenities. But what, exactly, do you give them that they can&#8217;t find elsewhere? What&#8217;s the benefit of moving?</p><p>Because the costs are clear: Young people need jobs, and to progress they need to learn from experts who work alongside them. Neither are available in small towns.</p><p>Also, young people tend to not have a romantic partner&#8212;especially the more adventurous types who might be willing to move. Unfortunately, early cities don&#8217;t have many people, so their dating pools are shallow.</p><p>On top of that, these people are not the richest, so you have to keep your costs as small as possible, including your Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC). You can&#8217;t spend that much on marketing.</p><h3>Families</h3><p>The parents in a family no longer need a deep dating pool, and they tend to be more professionally settled. They might have a remote job that pays well, but still, a good job opportunity would definitely be welcome for most.</p><p>But children need schools, which require many families to be viable. Children also need doctors, and a hospital not too far away. And <strong>both</strong> parents need a remote job, which is much less common than a single one.</p><h3>Retirees</h3><p>Retirees don&#8217;t need a job, a school, or (usually) a dating pool. But they care a lot about healthcare, an airport to see the family and travel, and a community and amenities so as not to be bored to death. Examples of this include Florida in the US or Portugal and the Spanish Mediterranean coast.</p><p>Based on this, to create your city you need (depending on the segments you focus on):</p><ul><li><p>For all: a strong reason to come (something that&#8217;s unavailable to you where you live), and some basics (utilities, a nearby airport, etc.)</p></li><li><p>For workers of all ages:</p><ul><li><p>Some way to attract jobs</p></li><li><p>A dating pool</p></li></ul></li><li><p>For families: school options</p></li><li><p>For retirees and families: great healthcare</p></li></ul><h1>Demand: Attract &amp; Settle Nomads</h1><p>The first people you attract must be digital nomads, people who can easily work remotely and already have a job, because as we&#8217;ve seen, it&#8217;s near impossible to get jobs upfront: They require network effects, and there aren&#8217;t any when there&#8217;s nobody in a new city.</p><p>Thanks to the Internet and AI, <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/remote-work-is-inexorable">remote work</a> is <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-fight-for-the-remote-worker">now</a> <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/cities-are-blurring">common</a>. Many take advantage of that to move around the world, from Lisbon to Bali, Buenos Aires, Dubai, or Bangkok. That gets lonely fast, though: They often don&#8217;t stay in one place long enough to form local bonds, and other digital nomads are moving constantly, too, so they don&#8217;t form dependable friendships. On average, people are nomads for a couple of years before they settle. This is where new cities can help: By settling nomads, they can facilitate long-lasting friendships that are rare elsewhere.</p><p>But few people decide to join a community they don&#8217;t know, in a place they&#8217;ve never been.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> They visit a place for a weekend maybe, meet a lot of people, get to know some and really hit it off with a few. They then come back again and maybe this time they stay for a longer period of time&#8212;maybe a few weeks or months. Finally, once they feel comfortable with the place and the people there, they move in for a few years. 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>In tech, this is called a funnel: Like in one, at the top you have lots of people, but then the amount shrinks and shrinks.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Each step in the funnel must be optimized.</p><h3>Short Term: Events</h3><p>One idea city founders float is to start cities from festivals: Get 5,000 people to come to your, say, music festival, and some of them will stay. Year over year, more and more people will stay, until a city is born.</p><p>I don&#8217;t buy this. Who goes to a festival and wants to stay there forever, once the music, the people, and the vibe is gone, and all that&#8217;s left is to clean up the mess with a thin crew?</p><p>Also, people know festivals are not the real world. You don&#8217;t go live in a place where you just have fun.</p><p>A festival can provide a taste of a place, though. If the infrastructure is solid, nomads might want more. And that&#8217;s the point of events.</p><p>If you don&#8217;t know about a new city, but you want to go to a special festival, you might discover the city in passing, and realize &#8220;<em>This is not bad at all!&#8221;</em> In marketing, that&#8217;s what&#8217;s called the awareness stage.</p><p>If you already know about the place, you might be thinking of an excuse to go there, and an event might be the perfect excuse.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t need to be only festivals. Conferences gather like-minded people around a topic of common interest. But what do you make conferences about? The concept of new cities and states is one topic (which Network School uses for its annual <a href="https://ns.com/conference">Network States conference</a>), but not every new city can do that. At some point, you have to do industry-specific conferences, but what legitimacy do you have for that? This goes back to the problem of jobs, which we&#8217;ll cover later.</p><p>Whether you do festivals, conferences, or other events, making the entire experience amazing is important, but the most important moments are the first one, the last one, and a peak experience. So the arrival at the airport, the ride in, the entrance to the venue, are all important. Same thing when leaving. And throughout the event, some magical moment(s) must be designed so that when the person goes back and reminisces about the trip, an indelible image remains.</p><h3>Medium Term</h3><p>Popup cities try to solve this: For a few months at a time, organizers propose that digital nomads live in an off-season resort with hackathons, speeches, workshops, and other social events, which help people get to know each other, form friendships, social groups&#8230; The first one, <a href="https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/10/06/why-i-built-zuzalu/">Zuzalu</a>, was in 2023, and since then, the idea has expanded. <a href="https://www.edgecity.live/">Edge City</a> has organized eight villages across four continents with over 12,000 participants in total.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Once your group of people who want to live together is big enough, the logical next step is for all to settle somewhere specific.</p><p>This strategy has at least four benefits:</p><ol><li><p>It targets the most mobile people already, digital nomads who are very flexible on where to live.</p></li><li><p>It&#8217;s much easier to attract a person to a conference or short-term event than to make them commit long-term to a specific spot.</p></li><li><p>With each new popup city, people make new connections, their circle of friends increases, and they&#8217;re more likely to want to live with them somewhere long term.</p></li><li><p>It&#8217;s also much easier for organizers: There&#8217;s much less work and commitment in terms of real estate, regulatory rights, paperwork, utilities, etc.</p></li></ol><p>When I last talked with Edge City co-founder <a href="https://x.com/timourxyz">Timour Kosters</a>, he was wondering if the next step could be buying out an abandoned university campus to provide a full-time base for the community.</p><p>There are other ways to get people to explore a new city for a few weeks. For example, Daniel Thompson and his <a href="https://www.noma-collective.com/">Numa Collective</a> is organizing a month-long summer camp and event for families in the Honduran city of Pr&#243;spera.</p><h3>Longer Term</h3><p>One of the most successful new communities is <a href="https://x.com/balajis?lang=en">Balaji Srinivasan</a>&#8217;s <a href="https://ns.com/">Network School</a>. I&#8217;ll write a full article on this, but here&#8217;s the short version. In 2024, he took over an entire hotel in a Chinese development in Malaysia, 45 minutes away from Singapore, and presented it as a fixed place for nomads to spend a few months at a time. The price includes a room, cleaning, food, coworking space, Internet, community events, workshops, gym... All in a safe, tropical, walkable space.</p><p>In other words, what you&#8217;re getting in a place like this is the college experience after college. This is clever: College years are some of the most fun for most people. Extending them or reviving them is very cool.</p><p>Thanks to Balaji&#8217;s popularity, enough people came and formed friendships that there was demand for long-term stays (one year or more). Now, Network School has had thousands of visitors, some of whom have become full-time residents.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vz3k!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e97ceae-e7c6-4c29-a209-3865b066cdb8_1600x898.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vz3k!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e97ceae-e7c6-4c29-a209-3865b066cdb8_1600x898.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vz3k!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e97ceae-e7c6-4c29-a209-3865b066cdb8_1600x898.png 848w, 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I know both personally, and they&#8217;re both amazing. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>His popularity still helps raise awareness of his Network School and convert doubters, but the bigger NS is, the more his personal popularity will have been tapped, and the less it will influence people to move. NS has already transcended him, it doesn&#8217;t rely on him anymore, and is growing. Good for them, because that requires a transformation: What works early on doesn&#8217;t as a city grows, because the early adopters are unlike those coming after.</p><h3>Crossing the Chasm</h3><p>In his book <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Chasm">Crossing the Chasm</a></em>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Moore">Geoffrey Moore</a> explains how early products don&#8217;t cut it for most people. If you&#8217;re an innovator or an early adopter, you love new stuff and are willing to try it. But for the vast majority of people, that&#8217;s not true.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png" width="1280" height="960" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:960,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yfs_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43117a5a-84ee-42ac-bec9-867238d9f330_1280x960.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Pragmatists are less moved by a vision or adventure, and much more interested in cold pros and cons. This is true for all products: Early adopters will tinker with things that are broken but show potential, but for the vast majority to adopt them, their kinks need to be ironed out until they&#8217;re easy to use.</p><p>So even if it&#8217;s hard to get a community to a few hundred people, the step after is equally hard, just for different reasons! Now, some of the biggest advantages of the early community (cheap real estate, strong community) get diluted, while the network effects of amenities, jobs, and microcommunities are not yet kicking in.</p><p>I think the answer is that these cities/jurisdictions need to make sure crime remains zero, while investing heavily in amenities, healthcare and education. These are a matter of money, and although you might not be able to make them profitable early on, they will make pragmatists cross the chasm.</p><p>OK we&#8217;re done looking at the demand side. You can see it&#8217;s very hard to get it off the ground without the other side of the marketplace: the supply of jobs.</p><h1>Supply: Jobs</h1><p>Nomads (single and coupled) can only get a new city so far, and even they want their industries to be represented where they live. So there&#8217;s just no way around needing to attract businesses to your city.</p><p>But companies are usually happy where they already are. They have employees, and they tend to be in big cities where they enjoy network effects. What kind of industry (vertical) would be willing to relinquish the value of its current location to move to an empty one where they can&#8217;t hire anybody? What kind of unique asset can a new city provide?</p><p>Regulatory arbitrage.</p><p>What&#8217;s the one human decision that frequently prevents companies from growing to their full potential? Overregulation. Don&#8217;t get me wrong: Some regulation is good. But the entire reason we want new cities in the first place is because the existing regulatory burden is way too high, supported by entrenched interests, and nearly impossible to eliminate. New jurisdictions&#8217; raison d&#8217;&#234;tre to form is to fight overregulation.</p><p>So which industries suffer the most from regulation?<br>Real estate, finance, and healthcare.</p><h3>Real Estate</h3><p>We talked about real estate: Overregulation is what makes it expensive in many cities; killing regulation is one of the biggest assets of any new jurisdiction.</p><h3>Finance</h3><p>Overregulated finance is the very reason for the existence of Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, DeFi (decentralized finance), blockchain, and all these new financial technologies. It wants a libertarian world where big states and financial institutions can&#8217;t dictate who has access to money and who doesn&#8217;t, where banks can&#8217;t profiteer from their power, where they&#8217;re too big to fail, where states overtax their citizens. This is why the crypto movement is extremely aligned with the development of new jurisdictions: All the people who believe this and make a living off of it want new places where they can be free. When you travel to these places, there&#8217;s always a strong community of people working in crypto, payments can always be made in cryptocurrencies, whether international ones like Bitcoin, or the local one.</p><p>But finance has two problems. First, finance is not just regulated at the national level, but at the global level. Anti-money-laundering institutions and regulations are active enemies of decentralized finance, because they see its anonymity as the shadow criminals yearn. Any banking service that is tied to the global financial system must abide by its rules, so innovating on rules is not as beneficial.</p><p>The second problem is that it&#8217;s hard to keep the crypto tribe in one place. Crypto doesn&#8217;t want boundaries. By definition crypto workers are mobile, international. And since they&#8217;re so aligned with the concept of new cities, many new jurisdictions try to cater to them, so there&#8217;s lots of competition for these highly mobile people. Hard to rely on finance as an industry to jump-start the supply side.</p><h3>Healthcare</h3><p>Healthcare is different, though. Drug companies and hospitals are not especially libertarian or excited about new jurisdictions. They just want regulation to be reasonable, and they can&#8217;t get that where they are. This adds billions of dollars to their business costs&#8212;so much so that it&#8217;s simply financially impossible to develop new drugs.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OhL-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0df0be5-f6aa-4ac4-b9c0-dbc0882ca1e0_959x579.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OhL-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0df0be5-f6aa-4ac4-b9c0-dbc0882ca1e0_959x579.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>From <a href="https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil">Cr&#233;mieux</a></em> </figcaption></figure></div><p>As a result, other countries like China, with much better regulation, are taking over in drug production.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UaGK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda4e4116-4f45-43c5-971a-c7079d98d3e2_763x427.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UaGK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda4e4116-4f45-43c5-971a-c7079d98d3e2_763x427.png 424w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Top left: The view from the hills in the middle of the island to Las Verandas, in Pr&#243;spera, and the coral reef just beyond. Top right: the Duna building in Pr&#243;spera. Bottom left: a view towards the sea. Bottom middle: One of the infinity pools in Las Verandas. Bottom right: the Dome, where the last conference was held. Here, with Niklas Anzinger and Tim Urban, the super cool creator behind Wait but Why, who is somehow even cooler in person than in writing.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Niklas realized that the US&#8217;s healthcare regulations are irrationally tight, so he figured out a much more reasonable set of regulations that allows Western drug companies and hospitals to do things there that they can&#8217;t do back at home.</p><p>To give you a couple of examples, an easy one to understand is drug repurposing: Many drugs are already approved, which means we know they&#8217;re safe to take. And sometimes, we discover new uses (&#8220;indications&#8221;) for them. Eg, GLP-1s were diabetes drugs that became weight loss drugs. But it&#8217;s hard and expensive to repurpose drugs for new indications. This makes no sense! We already know they&#8217;re safe (from the previous clinical trials), and we have data on their performance <a href="https://www.roche.com/stories/phase-4-clinical-trials">in real life</a>, since we track their side-effects. Do we really need the hundreds of millions it would take for a perfect new clinical trial? <em>Every time?</em></p><p>Another example: Aging is not a disease in the US, so you can&#8217;t test drugs to treat it, or make anti-aging claims about medications. You can test drugs against aging in Pr&#243;spera.</p><p>Real Estate, Finance, and Healthcare are three examples, but any industry that has too much regulation is a good target for SEZs like Pr&#243;spera. The more money that is at stake, the bigger the regulation arbitrage, and the easier it is to exploit it abroad, the more likely an SEZ is to attract companies from a new industry, kicking off the supply side of city marketplaces (jobs), attracting workers to take these jobs, and kick-starting the flywheel of a new city.</p><h1>Dating Pool</h1><p>Of course, the other relevant marketplace early on in these places is dating. This is not relevant for married couples, but hyper relevant for single nomads.</p><p>Early on, the biggest issue is that these new cities, being new and riskier than established cities, tend to attract a higher share of men than women. From my conversations, this ranges between 60% and 80% of men when these cities have just a few hundred people.</p><p>This is bad for most people:</p><ul><li><p>There are not enough women, so many men remain single.</p></li><li><p>Most women prefer not to be in such a minority. They prefer a stronger female community for friendship and support.</p></li></ul><p>As such, early cities would benefit from programs targeted specifically to attracting women. This should be easy.</p><p>Another asset is that, in my experience, many men in these places are young, ambitious, adventurous, hard-working, fit, and intelligent. Women who might be looking for a life adventure and might also be interested in such men would benefit from visiting these places.</p><p>If you think this is secondary, you should read this article:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;77bb7856-c0fe-478b-9f71-ec4cb465ae52&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Why is French only spoken in Qu&#233;bec, and not all of Canada? Why not in all of North America?&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:&quot;Read full story&quot;,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Why Doesn't North America Speak French?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:5362415,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Tomas Pueyo&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Understand the biggest problems and how to solve them: AI; automation; GeoHistory; the future of education, healthcare, violence, nation-states, communities, energy, transportation, and more&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32cecf91-f0da-4d20-b82f-c9e8ae5e0d89_1600x1600.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-05-26T14:02:16.255Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5EMj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9f344bf-40bd-4562-8002-edfcfc8ff48b_1393x1600.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-doesnt-north-america-speak-french&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:164478830,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:122,&quot;comment_count&quot;:21,&quot;publication_id&quot;:347533,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Uncharted Territories&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4QUy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc92decb6-7c5c-4053-bc05-651e5548e9b3_1280x1280.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>In it, I explain that this gender imbalance is the reason North America speaks English and not French. The French side in Canada attracted male nomads, because fur trading was amenable to this type of worker since trappers had to travel a lot, hunt, deal with natives, fight&#8230; The English side had a good climate for agriculture, which is settled, and more conducive to forming families. This meant there was a population explosion in the British Colonies in Canada while the French side remained underpopulated, and when they went to war, the British outnumbered the French.</p><p>I&#8217;ve talked with several leaders in the field and they&#8217;re understandably wary of intentionally attracting women to their cities, but personally, I think it&#8217;s quite natural, logical, and moral. They should do it!</p><p>OK, so far we&#8217;ve discussed how to accelerate the progress from 1 to 10 to 100 to 1,000 to 10,000 people. But wouldn&#8217;t it be cool to bypass all this work and shoot straight to 10,000 people?</p><h1>Bypassing the Early Stages, Straight to 10,000+ Citizens</h1><p>The best way to short-circuit the chicken-and-egg issue of no people &#8594; no jobs &#8594; no people is to artificially get 10,000+ people or 10,000+ jobs. How can we do this?</p><h3>Satellite Cities</h3><p>I discussed this model in this article.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;becee270-6e7b-42f7-9193-1be076f186a8&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;This is the 8th short article of the series Where to Create Ten New Cities in the US.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:&quot;Read full story&quot;,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Ten New US Cities: Satellite Cities&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:5362415,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Tomas Pueyo&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Understand the biggest problems and how to solve them: AI; automation; GeoHistory; the future of education, healthcare, violence, nation-states, communities, energy, transportation, and more&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32cecf91-f0da-4d20-b82f-c9e8ae5e0d89_1600x1600.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-01-23T13:02:14.408Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40ddb9e3-76e0-410e-9d80-ae727a0369b6_1080x720.gif&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/ten-new-us-cities-satellite-cities&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:155374608,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:50,&quot;comment_count&quot;:5,&quot;publication_id&quot;:347533,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Uncharted Territories&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4QUy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc92decb6-7c5c-4053-bc05-651e5548e9b3_1280x1280.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>A great example is what <a href="https://x.com/jansramek">Jan Sramek</a> is doing in <a href="https://californiaforever.com/">California Forever</a>, a new city between San Francisco and Sacramento, in California. Instead of starting from scratch, Satellite Cities co-opt the people and amenities of a big city nearby. No need for thousands to relocate dramatically across the world, just get them to move a short distance from where they live today. 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>A render of California City</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>In the case of California Forever, they&#8217;re aiming to build a huge industrial park, but with regulations that make it much easier to build industry in California (a state famous for its anti-industrial policies). With its proximity to the San Francisco Bay Area, the hope is that many hardware startups will be inclined to move there, providing the jobs that will attract more people.</p><h3>Anchor Tenants Near Existing Cities</h3><p>You can combine the idea of a satellite city with that of an anchor tenant. A Texan developer <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/ten-new-us-cities-satellite-cities">told me</a> it&#8217;s actually not that hard to get companies to commit to bringing their operations to a new satellite city within the US. These are also perfect ways to kick-start cities, because they concurrently bring hundreds or thousands of jobs, along with the workers, who then need to live in the place. They beget lots of services, sometimes supported by the company (shops, schools, clinics, etc.). You can shortcut the first few orders of magnitude of growth (from 1&#8594;10&#8594;100&#8594;1000 and even &#8594;10,000) with an anchor tenant. You just need a few things:</p><ul><li><p>A city in its close proximity, for amenities and workers</p></li><li><p>Utilities: electricity, water, etc.</p></li><li><p>Legal certainty</p></li></ul><p>This last point turns out to be the hardest. Having the mayor, the board, the opposition, the judges, the state legislature, the country government all aligned to help a new city be born is the scarcest resource. But it&#8217;s doable. This is for example how <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebration,_Florida">Celebration, Florida</a> was born: It was Walt Disney&#8217;s city.</p><h3>Tourism Settlements</h3><p>In the 1970s, the Yucat&#225;n Peninsula was mostly jungle and sand. Then, the government chose a tourism spot there, built infrastructure, and called on hotel chains to establish themselves there. Now, we know the destinations of Canc&#250;n, Playa del Carmen, Cozumel, the Riviera Maya&#8230;</p><p>The Mexican government was visionary in making this area into a tourism destination, but the vision didn&#8217;t extend to governance, so the area suffered from crime, overbuilding, and overdependence on tourism. Maybe a city founder could add regulatory vision, and find a spot that has amazing, underdeveloped beaches that could house great resorts, within a country and region that is open to giving enough governance freedom to an SEZ.</p><p>In other words, the cold start problem can be solved through tourism funding the growth from 1 to 10,000 citizens via hotel resorts: The citizens would be the workers. Once you have that, you can expand to other verticals.</p><p>If you think about it, this is not far from what Forest City was (where Network School lives): A Chinese developer agreed with the Malaysian government to allow a Special Financial Zone and built dozens of beachfront buildings there. The city was meant to host <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_City,_Johor">hundreds of thousands</a> of people, but is currently mostly empty, with only around 9,000 residents. Maybe this was too big, too fast, too exposed to the national risk of both Malaysia and China,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> and not visionary enough on the governance side, but the thinking was directionally correct. We&#8217;ll talk about it more another time.</p><h3>Cruise Cities</h3><p>Remember the idea of birthing cities out of festivals? I don&#8217;t think it can work because one festival a year is not enough to anchor a settlement. But what if there were dozens of festivals per year in the same place? That&#8217;s what cruise companies can do.</p><p>Cruises carry thousands of people from place to place, reliably, week after week, providing customers to local economies. But after some time, these cruise companies have thought: <em>Why would we give up all this reliable business to outside entities</em>? So they&#8217;ve started buying islands (now <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_island#List_of_%22private_islands%22_of_cruise_lines">over a dozen</a>) and creating their own resorts, events and festivals. Vertical integration.</p><p>What if they organized ongoing festivals, so that each one of their cruises could benefit from one? This would increase the revenue per customer. And once they have recurring festivals on land they own, they would need settlements there. From there to cities, there&#8217;s a very small jump. In fact, some cruises <a href="https://aboardtheworld.com/our-story/the-ship/">already operate</a> as <a href="https://edition.cnn.com/travel/what-its-like-on-board-the-world-cruise-ship">small sea settlements</a>. Maybe some could move into land-based settlements. But they&#8217;re not in the business of city founding, they need either visionary leaders or to partner with visionary city founders.</p><p>This reminds me of the early growth of Airbnb: Its founders noticed that during conventions, all hotels were booked and prices were through the roof. Demand was guaranteed, so they focused on events like the Democratic National Convention or Oktoberfest, sending employees to review listings. Each time there was a new event, they added more listings, and more people started using them.</p><h3>Existing Industry with Low Quality of Life</h3><p>While the Honduran SEZ of Pr&#243;spera focuses on real estate, finance, and especially healthcare, the other Honduran SEZ of Ciudad Moraz&#225;n tackled the problem differently.</p><p>The region already has local industry, tied to the neighboring city of <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choloma">Choloma</a>. But nobody wanted to live there because of the low quality of life, especially due to crime and corruption. So Ciudad Moraz&#225;n took over an area, made a gated community for the workers, took over the local governance and law enforcement, and that was enough to make it a favorite for workers.</p><h1>Putting Everything Together</h1><p>When new cities and jurisdictions are putting together their offering, they&#8217;re basically trying to weigh their competitive advantages between real estate quality &amp; affordability, crime, the feeling of community, jobs, education, healthcare, transportation, utilities, amenities, and dating. They&#8217;re trying to do something like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png" width="1600" height="936" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:936,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xmWH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8ce3fa03-cc4a-40ec-b5ee-74c46c0f7f5e_1600x936.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Their goal is that the teal assets outperform the red liabilities, so that the city is such a no-brainer that many people want to go.</p><p>Every new jurisdiction is different. In the example above, the value proposition is not strong enough, so people will only trickle in. Conversely, a satellite city with an anchor tenant might look like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png" width="1600" height="529" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:529,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9G6K!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc460e4fc-1699-488a-b9dd-908b5b1fdb88_1600x529.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Based on their own estimations, cities can decide to invest more or less on a given thing.</p><p>The more remote and novel the city is, the more these assets or liabilities will stand out from existing cities, creating a starkly differentiated product. But the big thing they&#8217;ll be fighting is the lack of network effects. The best way to solve this problem is bypassing the early stage (e.g., satellite cities, anchor tenants). If they can&#8217;t do that, though, the best strategy is to invest heavily in the other aspects: cheap, great housing, less crime, a community feeling, jobs in some vertical, and compensation for early residents, while they try to mitigate the other issues as much as possible, with schools, sites with good nearby airports, clinics, and the like.</p><div><hr></div><p>When I was last in Pr&#243;spera in March 2026, one of the founders, Erick Brimen, closed <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6JYnlsDOwU">with this video of a Mos Def concert in which Mos Def never appeared</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pJPI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faf6b317f-719b-4c9c-9756-9067ed9d4a76_1599x899.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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Erick didn&#8217;t play it for 10 seconds. He played it for what might have been two minutes, and felt like one hour. Torture.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><p>His message: If you want to create something big, something few have dared to do before, something breaking so much with conventional wisdom, you have to endure dancing alone for a long time before the first few join. But eventually, they do, and it becomes a party.</p><p>May the party come to new cities and jurisdictions. I hope this article will help the current founders and workers to accelerate their growth, and people like you to move there.</p><div><hr></div><p><em>If it does, and you decide to visit Pr&#243;spera or move there, let them know you came from me and you&#8217;ll get 50% off <a href="https://www.prospera.co/en/business">their residency or e-residency</a> program by <a href="http://prospera.co/r/tomas-pueyo">using this link</a>.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;http://prospera.co/r/tomas-pueyo&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;50% off Pr&#243;spera&#8217;s Residency&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="http://prospera.co/r/tomas-pueyo"><span>50% off Pr&#243;spera&#8217;s Residency</span></a></p><p><em>And if this article helped you do your job a bit better, or meaningfully changed how you think about the world, consider subscribing.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p><em>Thanks to Niklas Anzinger (Infinita), Trey Goff, Erick Brimen, Gabriel Delgado (Pr&#243;spera), Balaji Srinivasan, Jackson Steger (Network School), Patri Friedman (Pronomos), Daniel Thompson (Noma Collective), Mark Lutter (Charter Cities Institute), Timour Kosters (Edge City), and the many other city / jurisdiction founders or early workers who have talked with me over the last couple of years and / or have read this article to make it better. Of course, thank you Heidi and Shoni for your edits, as always.</em></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>It turns out no country claims Liberland, a tiny corner between Croatia and Serbia, because of obscure <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-river-dispute-that-nearly-killed">laws about rivers defining country borders</a>. The Danube riverbank has shifted since the boundary was set in the 19<sup>th</sup> Century, and both countries claim the bigger pieces of land.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>If you have W workers and F firms, the potential matches &#8776; W&#215;F. If both scale with city size N, then matches scale roughly like N<sup>2</sup>.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Although I&#8217;ve been told this has happened in Network School. Crazy! These are true trailblazers. It reminds me of the 1848 Gold Rush, people reading in newspapers of the gold discovered, and booking tickets to go there from across the ocean.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Or maybe the developer is just thinking on a different timeline than most others and is okay with an empty city for a while. Some could argue that Forest City was never a ghost city but rather a city that just hasn't grown into itself yet.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The music is still stuck in my head two weeks later.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What Products Should We Build?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Digital, physical, content, shop... What should we build?]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-products-should-we-build</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-products-should-we-build</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2026 11:21:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-ai-will-change-media">the previous article</a>, we explored what good content will look like in a world of AI: insightful, entertaining, truthful, unbiased, honest, authentic, personalized, at scale. But how can we achieve that? What products should Uncharted Territories create?</p><p>Today, I&#8217;ll share some ideas I&#8217;d like to make real, in this order:</p><ol><li><p>Real-life experiences</p></li><li><p>More content</p></li><li><p>Physical products</p></li><li><p>And the one that rides the AI wave the most, digital products.</p></li></ol><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>If you&#8217;d like to see these things become a reality, become a paid member to finance them!</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>And if you want to be part of the team that brings them to life, apply here. </p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Apply or Invest&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/"><span>Apply or Invest</span></a></p><p><em>After many of you asked, I added an <a href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/invest.html">investment option</a>.</em></p><h1>1. Real-Life Experiences</h1><p>Media companies are well positioned to organize real life experiences, from conferences to dinners in different cities to trips to company visits&#8230; Which ones would you like to see? What would an Uncharted Territories conference look like?</p><p>Here are some of my more out-of-the box ideas.</p><h3>Museums</h3><p>I would love to create an Uncharted Territories museum. Imagine that you could shape sand to create landscapes like here:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif" width="600" height="324" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:324,&quot;width&quot;:600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:3099718,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/gif&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/i/193333045?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQHq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e2c23a6-7c18-450e-8907-1d92dacd7dec_600x324.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But what if, as you created the sand, you saw civilizations emerge in valleys? Forests in the right climates, cut down for agricultural land, cities appearing at the confluence of rivers, trade posts at their mouths, nomadic tribes in pasture land&#8230; You wouldn&#8217;t just shape topography, you would understand the deep geographic mechanisms behind history in an intuitive way.</p><h3>Historical Site Visits</h3><p>Have you ever visited a historical site, but failed to understand why it was built, why there, how it was used, what type of fascinating stories had unfolded there&#8230;?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5Otq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F07ff0967-58f8-4641-b451-f40d1f79840f_900x600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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I also didn&#8217;t realize one of the most important Spanish kings, Felipe II, got married here.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Imagine that, instead of being dropped in these sites clueless, you put some AR glasses on and you could witness first hand some of the most interesting historical moments of the sites&#8212;some that explained not just the history, but also why the sites were the way they were? Imagine if you could influence these events like a videogame player?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!INIA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844fa58a-eaa4-4afb-8b1f-2820677a891c_520x275.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!INIA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844fa58a-eaa4-4afb-8b1f-2820677a891c_520x275.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!INIA!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844fa58a-eaa4-4afb-8b1f-2820677a891c_520x275.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!INIA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844fa58a-eaa4-4afb-8b1f-2820677a891c_520x275.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!INIA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844fa58a-eaa4-4afb-8b1f-2820677a891c_520x275.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!INIA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844fa58a-eaa4-4afb-8b1f-2820677a891c_520x275.gif" width="642" height="339.5192307692308" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>What if you could play a role in history?</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Education</h3><p>Many of you write to tell me how useful my articles have been for studying history and geography classes. I&#8217;m not surprised: I loved the topics at school, but I found them superficial and disconnected. I didn&#8217;t want to know the facts, I wanted to understand <em>why</em>.</p><p>We now have enough content to formalize this. What would new curricula look like if they were designed by Uncharted Territories?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png" width="1600" height="1362" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1362,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8q_m!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F201e56cf-1171-481f-8c95-dded7335a453_1600x1362.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h1>More Content</h1><h3>Books</h3><p>Uncharted Territories has lots of content that could already be packaged into books. Should we get them done?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png" width="1600" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i14e!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1a395ecd-b253-44c5-8214-bb5e178482a2_1600x819.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Two examples of many. GeoHistory would be a Big History book &#224; la Gun, Germs and Steel, that explains all the ways in which geography influenced history. 100 Billion Humans is about how the Earth has capacity for many more people than we imagine. There are more, like History Moves to the Cloud, about how technology determines political structures, and how that suggests what will happen to nation-states in the coming decades.</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>YouTube</h3><p>My <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zouim_b9EVg">1<sup>st</sup> serious video</a> got 8,000 views. The <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RSPgIcnRN0">2<sup>nd</sup> one</a> got 2,000,000. There&#8217;s clearly potential in a YouTube channel!</p><h3>Series</h3><p>There&#8217;s actually very little amazing streaming content about geography. Look at what&#8217;s on Netflix for example:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png" width="1600" height="787" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:787,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rRZE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d564cd6-a8e6-45e5-83a1-97dad61459ab_1600x787.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Geography is either history or nature! Could we make a GeoHistory show for Netflix?</p><p>Along those lines, there&#8217;s <a href="https://futurevisionxprize.com/">a new XPRize</a> for the best techno-optimistic near-term sci-fi video project. UT is all about that, and although I&#8217;ve never written fiction, I&#8217;ve <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUT6GQveD0E">studied</a> <a href="https://www.amazon.es/Star-Wars-Rings-Hidden-Structure/dp/1974436586">it</a> <a href="https://maven.com/tomas-pueyo-uncharted-territories/business-communication-storytelling">deeply</a>. Should we present a candidate?</p><h3>Short-Form Video</h3><p>I&#8217;ve posted maybe a couple of dozen Instagram Reels, and without really trying, a couple of them went viral. My guess is I could have millions, or even billions of views per month, by creating many more short videos, making variants, using AI, and cross-posting them across social networks.</p><h3>Podcast</h3><p>Right now, you can&#8217;t easily listen to my articles. You have to go to the Substack mobile app, where a canned voice reads them to you. What if they were better narrated? Available anywhere&#8212;Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, etc? What if they were converted into an interesting conversation, like those made by <a href="https://notebooklm.google.com/">NotebookLM</a>?</p><p>What if I started interviewing interesting people? There are only very few deep interviewers, like Tyler Cowen or Dwarkesh Patel. Should I do this? It would need a production team: research, outreach, editing, posting&#8230;</p><h3>Courses</h3><p>If the goal is to help people make better decisions, courses become an obvious next step. They can be asynchronous or cohort-based. AI tools will help them scale tremendously, as the biggest challenge today is that the time of the creator is finite, but the value they provide is much higher than what their employees do (so you don&#8217;t want to be coached by one of their employees, but it might be good enough to be coached by their AI version). This is especially sensible for Uncharted Territories as I already have a successful course, which I just couldn&#8217;t push more because it was taking too much of my time, especially giving feedback to customers on their pieces of communication.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png" width="1600" height="1073" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1073,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xGOZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c5582aa-1703-4ed9-bbce-4124c4d0fe32_1600x1073.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I also had a hard time organizing the study groups. But if I can automate the feedback and the group formation and facilitation, could this course be offered again, fully (or mostly) automated?</p><h1>Physical Products</h1><p>About 40% of the income of the YouTube channel Kurzgesagt (with 25M followers) comes from its store.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png" width="1600" height="1231" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1231,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qkPs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a555495-4db9-4d5f-aa72-3245803a08e5_1600x1231.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>What would an Uncharted Territories shop look like? What would you like to see there?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png" width="1478" height="1614" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1614,&quot;width&quot;:1478,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oiR-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82be4aad-5f9b-4984-8ec3-95d83bb6e44c_1478x1614.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"></figcaption></figure></div><p>What other physical products could Uncharted Territories create? What would you like to see in the shop?</p><h1>Digital Products</h1><p>I love all the ideas above, but I&#8217;m especially keen on digital products, because these can truly reinvent media from the ground up with AI.</p><h3>Decision-Making</h3><p>Human research and decision-making has hundreds of flaws, as I&#8217;ve outlined <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/debate-is-broken">here</a>: It&#8217;s slow, full of biases, lacks facts, makes wrong assumptions&#8230; AI is much better at all of this, yet it&#8217;s bad at other things: It&#8217;s not succinct, it gets lost, it doesn&#8217;t reason too well, it doesn&#8217;t know what matters&#8230;</p><p>What if we combined both? 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gNhm!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1d8e3ec-bf35-459f-87af-b84e1dd058ae_1600x1070.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gNhm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1d8e3ec-bf35-459f-87af-b84e1dd058ae_1600x1070.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gNhm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1d8e3ec-bf35-459f-87af-b84e1dd058ae_1600x1070.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Picking the Topic / Angle</h3><p>What if we had a tool that scours the Internet to figure out what&#8217;s the most relevant topic right now, and the most interesting angles about it?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png" width="1600" height="1073" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUSB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e2027ae-588c-4705-87cd-78c8fbf30565_1600x1073.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>What if the Uncharted Territories audience could choose from that what they want to hear about? What if readers could <em>pay</em> for the articles they want to read? Imagine for example a map of the world, and if you want UT to write about a specific country, you can pledge money towards it. The more money is pledged, the more likely the article will be picked next. This allows two things: Satisfy the people who are most interested in a topic, and finance the production of content for all.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png" width="1600" height="913" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:913,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ll3T!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd725e00d-e276-47b4-877a-dad32a3e9f6c_1600x913.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Writing</h3><p>Humans already <a href="https://originality.ai/blog/can-humans-detect-ai-content">can&#8217;t tell</a> if writing comes from an AI, but they tend to <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4453958">prefer</a> AI writing! And AIs <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5606570">can copy</a> author styles better than expert human copiers! So, I think AI writing is underused right now, and it will only grow from here. I don&#8217;t use it myself, yet, but should I?</p><p>What if there were some articles that are always written by me (or other humans) but others were written by AI first? For example, should an AI generate a daily summary of the news, based on all the insights and worldview of Uncharted Territories, which I&#8217;d then review, correct, and update before publishing?</p><p>Google made a hybrid between Google Search and social media, called Google Discover.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png" width="400" height="824.8847926267281" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1790,&quot;width&quot;:868,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:400,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfR9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3736b67-ab10-4c51-b3e7-6f4c702801d6_868x1790.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>They gather your interests from your searches and serve you articles accordingly. Google does the same thing with the YouTube home page, of course. This product is quite successful, but I think it&#8217;s just an intermediary step to what&#8217;s coming.</p><p>With much more supply of content and a fixed amount of attention, we&#8217;ll need better mechanisms to digest information, like for example LLMs looking at what&#8217;s going on right now in the world and giving you a summary. This is what OpenAI is trying to do with Pulse:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png" width="1600" height="918" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:918,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7OPH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F688ac32c-3bb2-48f8-b42c-5567d03e1a91_1600x918.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>It used to just give you three topics of interest every day. For each, it crafted a dedicated article for you. Now, it asks you what you&#8217;re interested in first, and then in the next step it asks to connect to your email (!!) for more info on you. After this, you wait for 30 minutes to get a list of tailored articles. I think this is flawed for many reasons. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Can we build something better? A mix of daily news with the ability to dive deeper into any specific area in which AIs and other people collaborate to make sense of the news? Yet another product we could build.</p><h3>Fact-Checking</h3><p>Although AIs make mistakes, these mistake are shrinking.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png" width="1280" height="726" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:726,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5pnu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a755250-8b2a-4861-9f3c-42456bc2659d_1280x726.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.uxtigers.com/post/ai-hallucinations">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Moreover, I believe agent swarms could already do a better job than humans. Today, some <a href="https://huggingface.co/papers/2511.09030">can already drastically reduce mistakes</a>, down to near zero.</p><p>What if we could highlight any fact and an AI agent swarm could properly fact-check it?</p><h3>Cross-Posting</h3><p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be cool to write an article, and automatically a tool would create versions adapted to all sorts of social media, be it images, carousels, long-form or short-form videos? Some tools already do some of this. Could we have them all in one place?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png" width="1600" height="914" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:914,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t06q!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c2c9355-c055-4e1e-8e75-ef7a538e15ef_1600x914.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Interactivity</h3><p>The same way content started with text, and then moved to pictures, from there to video, then short vertical video, and now AI-generated content, there will be many other types of content to distribute your ideas. One example is interactivity: If it&#8217;s easy to code new software, why not accompany your pieces of content with custom software that makes you interact with the ideas instead of just consuming them? That would definitely deliver on the personalization <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-ai-will-change-media">we discussed earlier</a>, and if you know you can get interactive content by going directly to a media source, it&#8217;s much more likely to be a go-to source.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif" width="436" height="476" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:476,&quot;width&quot;:436,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rCb1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F465939eb-dbcf-4875-80f0-6ffd14c6a307_436x476.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Bartosz Ciechanowski makes amazing <a href="https://ciechanow.ski/mechanical-watch/">interactive articles</a>, but they&#8217;re very long to make. What if each article had companion software? What would that look like?</em></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Community</h3><p>Decisions are not something we make in a vacuum. Humans discuss ideas, look for allies, coordinate&#8230; We see it in the comments sections of articles, in the way we debate the news at a bar or at the dinner table: Media, and especially the news, are a community thing. But today, the community around the news is crap! Here at Uncharted Territories, it&#8217;s limited to the comments section. Other Substacks have a chat. Other outlets do Slack, a few do meet-ups and conferences&#8230; Is this really the best we can do?</p><p>As AI takes over more parts of our lives, we&#8217;ll increasingly crave hanging out with humans. Media is a natural way to connect. What can we do as media companies to facilitate it?</p><h3>Political Impact</h3><p>So far, the media has limited itself to informing people to help them make decisions. But what if the audience is already convinced and wants to act? The media offers very little support there. It doesn&#8217;t coordinate its audiences to take action. What a missed opportunity! Can you imagine the force they would be if, instead of just frustrating their audiences with insights they can&#8217;t really act on, it gave them the tools to coordinate with other members of the audience to build? To get people elected? To push specific pieces of legislation through?</p><p>Before, this was impossible for the same reason as software in articles was impossible: It took too many people, it was too expensive. 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h1>Sequence</h1><ol><li><p>I plan to build all of this for Uncharted Territories, prioritizing the area that resonates the most with the audience: GeoHistory.</p></li><li><p>From there, I&#8217;ll expand to other topics: AI, Space, Relationships, Society&#8230;</p></li><li><p>Finally, once we&#8217;ve proven that the strategy works for Uncharted Territories and it&#8217;s growing faster than COVID in 2020, we&#8217;ll expand to other creators who have similar goals as ours by helping them succeed like UT.</p></li></ol><h1>Join Me!</h1><p>If you know anybody who&#8217;d be excited to work on this, please share this article with them, <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-ai-will-change-media">the previous one</a>, and more importantly, the <a href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/">careers page</a>! And if you&#8217;re an investor, I added an option for you <a href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/invest.html">here</a>.</p><p>Want to take ownership of one of these initiatives, but I don&#8217;t have a position outlined for you? Apply (under the position &#8220;other&#8221;) and explain your project.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/careers.html&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Join the Expedition&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/careers.html"><span>Join the Expedition</span></a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Work with Me to Change the World of Media with AI]]></title><description><![CDATA[Work with me to make it happen]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-ai-will-change-media</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-ai-will-change-media</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2026 11:06:28 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O-WA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F079014fa-7ec6-4870-aa58-b7f53c3051ba_1600x1153.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AI is about to metamorphose the media. Two worlds might emerge from this: one of slop, psyops, and fake news; another with clear information that leads to positive action.</p><p>I want the second one, and we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make it happen, creating in the process a legendary media company. So I&#8217;m building Uncharted Territories into a media company designed from the ground up with AI. But I can&#8217;t do it alone. If you want to help me build the future of media with AI, join me in working at Uncharted Territories: I&#8217;m hiring people to work on software development, research, video, social media, merchandising, and more.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Work at Uncharted Territories&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/"><span>Work at Uncharted Territories</span></a></p><p>In today&#8217;s article, I&#8217;ll tell you how I think AI will change media, and what we need to do to navigate that.</p><h1>The AI Content Avalanche</h1><p>AI has already overwhelmed us. And it&#8217;s just starting.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wCpj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febd4bc6b-902c-4b55-99fa-824fbf05e3da_1600x1023.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wCpj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febd4bc6b-902c-4b55-99fa-824fbf05e3da_1600x1023.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And <em>Twitter just <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/09/x-suspends-accounts-massive-scale-manipulation-attempts-russia">banned 800 million AI accounts</a>!</em></p><p>Early on, it&#8217;s fun.</p><div class="native-video-embed" data-component-name="VideoPlaceholder" data-attrs="{&quot;mediaUploadId&quot;:&quot;03fe51ea-ef6d-4c28-b407-ccb7e872f2cf&quot;,&quot;duration&quot;:null}"></div><p>But it&#8217;s already getting stale. Imagine 10x more AI content. 100x. One million times more. As it submerges us and drowns us in an overload of information, fake news, morally bankrupt mass media, biased fact-checkers and shameless influencers, how will we know what is true? What to think? How can we make good decisions in a world like that?</p><h1>Content Quality Before &amp; After</h1><p>This was the quality of media content before the Internet.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KdqK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ba76121-7acf-47d9-9682-95cf4ba708ed_1600x380.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KdqK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ba76121-7acf-47d9-9682-95cf4ba708ed_1600x380.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KdqK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ba76121-7acf-47d9-9682-95cf4ba708ed_1600x380.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KdqK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ba76121-7acf-47d9-9682-95cf4ba708ed_1600x380.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KdqK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ba76121-7acf-47d9-9682-95cf4ba708ed_1600x380.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Good journalists&#8212;those we were most exposed to&#8212;were way more intelligent than the average human, and journalistic standards raised the bar further, so that most content was quite good.</p><div 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The newsroom was biased, the news served the interests of those who financed it, and it was limited in creativity to what had been done and what other journos did, among other shortcomings.</p><p>When the Internet appeared, it reduced many of its costs, but it obliterated that of distribution.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sGys!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d834c9-daf8-4a8d-a40b-edab598bc66b_1336x1028.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sGys!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5d834c9-daf8-4a8d-a40b-edab598bc66b_1336x1028.png 424w, 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stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Suddenly, you could post your content on Facebook, YouTube, or Twitter for nothing, and if it was good, it reached lots of people.</p><p>Production shrunk less, but it still came down:</p><ul><li><p>For written content, platforms like social media, blogging, or newsletters made it as easy as in newsrooms</p></li><li><p>For pictures or video content, mobile phones with cameras and simple editing software made it easier than before, but still quite hard to get great content</p></li></ul><p>The result was a massive increase in content:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png" width="1600" height="502" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ffHM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22641430-c68b-47ec-893f-8c7ff84078c4_1600x502.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Most of which has been crap.</p><p>But there&#8217;s so much of it that some was bound to be amazing. You can see it to the right in this graph, where there is a lot of great Internet-era content, and some even better than what we had before, because it allowed hundreds of millions of people to become creators, and some of them are amazing. They would never have been able to create but for the drop in distribution costs.</p><p>AI drops production costs even further.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZOSm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F897f72c5-b4c3-4dca-bb6d-2b70dc8bca40_1166x1027.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZOSm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F897f72c5-b4c3-4dca-bb6d-2b70dc8bca40_1166x1027.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZOSm!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F897f72c5-b4c3-4dca-bb6d-2b70dc8bca40_1166x1027.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZOSm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F897f72c5-b4c3-4dca-bb6d-2b70dc8bca40_1166x1027.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZOSm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F897f72c5-b4c3-4dca-bb6d-2b70dc8bca40_1166x1027.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZOSm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F897f72c5-b4c3-4dca-bb6d-2b70dc8bca40_1166x1027.png" width="518" height="456.24871355060037" 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stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The result is this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U8Qm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9525c9d-d7e0-4379-a2bd-2f1677c0fc4d_1600x1109.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U8Qm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9525c9d-d7e0-4379-a2bd-2f1677c0fc4d_1600x1109.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U8Qm!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9525c9d-d7e0-4379-a2bd-2f1677c0fc4d_1600x1109.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U8Qm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9525c9d-d7e0-4379-a2bd-2f1677c0fc4d_1600x1109.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U8Qm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9525c9d-d7e0-4379-a2bd-2f1677c0fc4d_1600x1109.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Even more content.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> Most of it, crap.</p><p>Look at the right, though.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O-WA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F079014fa-7ec6-4870-aa58-b7f53c3051ba_1600x1153.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O-WA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F079014fa-7ec6-4870-aa58-b7f53c3051ba_1600x1153.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O-WA!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F079014fa-7ec6-4870-aa58-b7f53c3051ba_1600x1153.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O-WA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F079014fa-7ec6-4870-aa58-b7f53c3051ba_1600x1153.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O-WA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F079014fa-7ec6-4870-aa58-b7f53c3051ba_1600x1153.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>We&#8217;re approaching a golden era of content. Those who can best merge humans with AI will be able to create magical pieces. What will media companies need to make this amazing content?</p><h1>What Is Quality Content in a World of AI?</h1><p>The first key insight is that as supply explodes, attention is still limited so demand quantity won&#8217;t bulge. This means demand <em>quality</em> will go through the roof. The more content we see, the higher our expectations.</p><p>Anecdotally, I feel it every day in <em>Uncharted Territories</em>: When I compare old posts from five years ago from those of today, it seems to me like the quality jump is insane: So many more insights per article, illustrations, diversity of topics, depth of research&#8230; Mostly thanks to the help of AI. But the audience just gets used to it, it&#8217;s the new normal.</p><p>What will be the new bar? We can get a clue from the Streaming Wars.</p><h3>The Quality of Shows in the Streaming Wars</h3><p>When companies like Netflix, Disney, Apple, and Amazon started spending tens of billions in producing content for their platforms, they created <em>a lot</em> of TV shows.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png" width="1404" height="1169" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1169,&quot;width&quot;:1404,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eH46!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88e408b5-aee1-4e19-847e-e5b4c1fbd63c_1404x1169.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: data from Grok and ChatGPT. I asked both to come up with numbers and compared them. They differed, but not in the shape of the graph, which is what I&#8217;m interested in. All sources agree that the explosion started in ~2017-2019. Disney doesn&#8217;t break down streaming vs other content, so I took as a baseline what they spent in 2016, and added their content production afterwards (Disney+ was announced in 2017). Data for Apple is approximate, but most sources quote a stable ~$5B. I didn&#8217;t check further, because Netflix was confusing (what&#8217;s relevant, original content? Licensing? With what baseline? Where can we find the breakdown?) Here, what matters more is not the precision, but the illustration. It might have hallucinated some details, so don&#8217;t take this at face value. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The results in terms of customers have been amazing.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png" width="541" height="541" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1080,&quot;width&quot;:1080,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:541,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dkl6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F889298b5-75a8-4f95-88a3-491301f664a6_1080x1080.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But how much did the <em>quality</em> of these shows increase? What are the best TV series since the Golden Era of prestige TV started? <em>The Sopranos, The Wire, Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Office, Lost&#8230;</em> Nearly all <em>predate</em> the Streaming Wars. You&#8217;d assume with the explosion of content, we&#8217;d have an explosion of amazing content. But that hasn&#8217;t happened.</p><p>Part of it is niching out: Now you might enjoy some TV show that few other people know, because content specialized in specific niches. But that doesn&#8217;t explain it all. There are hundreds of TV shows that <em>look amazing</em>, Hollywood-level production values, but they&#8217;re crap. Because the <em>stories</em> are crap.</p><p>This shows that the limiting factor in Hollywood has been great storytellers. This became extremely obvious for those who watched <em>Game of Thrones</em>: The showrunners were lauded as amazing storytellers&#8230; until they ran out of material from the author of the books, George R.R. Martin. After that, they still had the biggest budgets in the world, with the biggest teams, and yet their ratings started suffering, and the last season was dismal.</p><p>So:</p><ul><li><p>More quantity and quality of supply &#8594; the expectations of customers rise</p></li><li><p>The limiting factor in fiction becomes great storytellers &#8594; they define the new equilibrium</p></li></ul><p>What will happen to media with AI? Will AI become an amazing storyteller? It might happen in a few years, with the singularity, but I don&#8217;t think it will come immediately, because telling a good story is incredibly hard, as we just saw. It requires a deep understanding of humans, their emotions, their drives, the world, the structure of stories, the rules of dialogue, of character arcs&#8230; To give you an example, the makers of K-Pop Demon Hunters, a seemingly simple movie, spent seven years of their lives on the project, referring to hundreds of different experts, working for 500-1000 man-years to completion. They tweaked the eyes of their characters pixel by pixel to enhance their microexpessions. AIs are not there yet.</p><p>All of that applies to fiction. What about non-fiction? What is the equivalent of great storytellers in non-fiction in the AI era? What will become a commodity, and what will be the remaining limiting factor in a world of AI?</p><h2>Quality Non-Fiction after AI</h2><p>To truly answer this, we need to answer a more fundamental question.</p><h3>Why Do People Consume Media?</h3><p>What are you trying to achieve when you&#8217;re watching the news, scrolling Twitter, reading Substacks?</p><p>Make better decisions.</p><p>Humans are <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUT6GQveD0E">prediction machines</a>. They try to understand how the world works so that they can make the most of it. That&#8217;s why we love stories: They help us understand how others have faced challenges. It&#8217;s why we&#8217;re fascinated about visions of the future, why we love uncovering new truths about the world.</p><p>The application can be professional, like how to communicate to advance at work; it can be personal, like how to shift behavior to become more attractive; it can determine where to live, to maximize the chances of a bright future; it can help us choose who to vote for&#8230; Whatever it is, the underlying, frequently subconscious goal is to make better decisions.</p><p>When you realize this, you realize how shitty the current media experience is: We consume hundreds of thousands of dull, stupid, vacuous, imperfect pieces of content to create an image of the world that matters to us. We then have to synthesize all this data to form an accurate representation of the world, to inform our decisions. You see the problem, right?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png" width="1600" height="1056" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1056,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jOA1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8335e8b-fb21-48dd-8e39-ebb81680c39c_1600x1056.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So how can we make this better? Here&#8217;s my take.</p><h3>1. Insightful</h3><p>The most important requirement is to help the audience understand the world better. The more new things you can share, the more they help the world understand, the more valuable your media company. This means pieces of content should not be vapid, irrelevant, rehashing known facts, limiting themselves to facts only, etc.</p><p>And insights shouldn&#8217;t come as completely independent tidbits. A single, coherent worldview is much more compelling, because it puts the insights in context, and pushes not just data points, but entire mental models to better understand the world.</p><h3>2. Entertaining</h3><p>If you&#8217;re boring, though, people won&#8217;t finish your content. If they do, they might forget. You must be entertaining to help people consume your content and remember its lessons. So being entertaining is at least as important as being insightful. Doing either is hard. Doing both is devilish.</p><h3>3. Truthful</h3><p>If a media outlet produces a million pieces of content and 5% are false, you&#8217;re quickly going to stop trusting everything. If an outlet barely gets anything wrong, the audience will learn to trust it and rely on it more and more.</p><h3>4. Honest</h3><p>But nobody is perfect. Every media outlet is bound to make mistakes. A company that tries to bury them will destroy its reputation. One that is honest about its truthfulness, that corrects itself when it makes a mistake, will be seen as more honest and therefore more trustworthy.</p><h3>5. Unbiased</h3><p>You can limit yourself to saying true facts and yet be unfaithful to the truth, by cherry-picking what you cover and choosing a narrative that fits your agenda.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png" width="624" height="520.65" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1335,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:624,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!guw4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F478e00bf-0ad5-42a1-ab05-97bb35fd9db9_1600x1335.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>You can make money with biased media, but that will never make you a quality source, because you&#8217;ll be pushing incorrect mental models into your audience&#8217;s mind.</p><h3>6. Authentic</h3><p>All other things being equal, everybody prefers artisanal objects to industrial ones. The experience might be very similar, but just knowing that a human was behind them makes them more valuable, more sacred. The same will happen with content.</p><p>But artisanal objects are not usually the same quality as industrial ones. They must be functionally the same, but an artisanal object benefits from tiny <em>flaws</em>. Having a true person behind the content, one that is true to herself, who shows herself as she is, with her virtues and her flaws, will be more likely to reach people&#8217;s hearts. Live performances are one way to show the authenticity of artisanal humanity.</p><p>One of the areas in which authenticity will shine is <em>courage</em>. It&#8217;s easy to say what&#8217;s right when it&#8217;s popular; it&#8217;s much harder when it&#8217;s right but unpopular. <em>#MeToo</em> in 2017 was much more courageous than in 2024; saying that women and men are biologically different, and therefore psychologically different, was harder <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/what-makes-men-and-women-different">in 2023</a> than in 2026. Courage is exceptionally useful because it presents insights in the topics that are most likely to have failed mental models of the world, as information on these topics is limited.</p><h3>7. Personalized</h3><p>If your first language is Japanese, maybe you&#8217;d rather read articles in Japanese instead of English. Maybe the illustrative examples are closer to who you are. Maybe the data presented includes your country, or your region. Or the mental models you have of the world, so that you are never bored by information you already know.</p><p>Before, it was too expensive to do that, but with AI it will become so cheap as to be possible in some cases. The future of content will be personalized.</p><h3>8. At Scale</h3><p>If you do all this as a single creator, you&#8217;ll have a great voice, but you will remain an artisan of the media. The media companies that maximize their impact will have to do all the above at scale.</p><h1>Build with Me the Future of Media + AI</h1><p>So if you want to build an amazing media company that incorporates AI from the ground up, it must deliver insights, entertainment, truth, honesty, authenticity, all without bias, and personalized at scale.</p><p>I envision a new Uncharted Territories that achieves all of that:</p><ul><li><p>More content, with more insights, and more formats. Imagine <em>The New York Times</em>, but without the bias. <em>The Economist</em>, but for the 21<sup>st</sup> Century. <em>Mr Beast</em>, but with useful content.</p></li><li><p>More video: long form and short form.</p></li><li><p>More interactivity: What if articles became software?</p></li><li><p>More audience participation: What would it look like if the audience worked articles together?</p></li><li><p>And much more</p></li></ul><p>But how specifically? What else should that company build? What type of content should it create? To answer this question, we must look into how media is produced today: What are all the tasks involved? Where is AI better than humans, and where are humans going to continue shining? Which tasks should be automated to make them more scalable and better than today? This gives you a strategy of what must be built. That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ll cover in the next article (paywalled).</p><p>Once you have that strategy, how do you make it a reality? By hiring the people to build it. If you&#8217;re the type of person who loves Uncharted Territories, loves AI, and wants to use both to take a shot at making a huge AI-first media company to make the world a better place, apply. I have positions as:</p><ul><li><p>Software developers</p></li><li><p>Vibe coders</p></li><li><p>Research/Writers</p></li><li><p>Video creators</p></li><li><p>Short form video creators</p></li><li><p>Editors</p></li><li><p>Cartographers</p></li><li><p>Merchandise managers</p></li><li><p>Chief of Staff</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Apply&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/"><span>Apply</span></a></p><p>But I can&#8217;t do any of this if you, the readers, don&#8217;t back the mission. I&#8217;m taking a huge risk hiring all these people, which I can&#8217;t afford with the revenue I&#8217;m currently getting from you. So if you like Uncharted Territories and you want to see more of it in the world, if you want more articles, more topics, more formats (short articles, podcasts, videos, short videos), if you want to see great media in the world of AI (and not just slop), you should support us: Without your subscriptions, I won&#8217;t be able to do any of this.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>And if you really believe in UT and want to fund our growth, you can also consider investing.</p><h3>Why Uncharted Territories? Why Me?</h3><p>Over the last few years, I&#8217;ve been studying and narrating these changes from <em>Uncharted Territories</em>, but it&#8217;s not enough. I can&#8217;t remain a bystander while the biggest change in the history of humanity is unfolding before us. Luckily, I have a background in the two key skills required to succeed in this world:</p><ol><li><p>Tech: I spent 15 years building online products and growing them, starting from product management and ending as the Chief Product Officer of a billion-dollar company, with ~100 people at my charge. In the process, I grew teams from 0 to &gt;100, and helped raise $500M. I know how to build tech companies and products.</p></li><li><p>Media: I&#8217;ve spent the last 6 years working in Uncharted Territories, where I&#8217;ve gone viral on all platforms: Medium, Substack, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram&#8230; I know how to make compelling content.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p></li></ol><p>I&#8217;ve decided to merge my two careers into one: building Uncharted Territories into a full media company, where we&#8217;ll combine the best of AI and humans to produce more, better ideas that reach more people, to help the world make better decisions and nudge it in a better direction.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Apply to Join the Expedition&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://hiring-landing-page-plum.vercel.app/"><span>Apply to Join the Expedition</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Normally, you&#8217;d eye this graph, notice that AI-generated content now outpaces human content, and move on. But is this graph true? How do they know what is AI and what isn&#8217;t? Why did it slow down mid-2023? Is it simply that the algorithm can&#8217;t detect AI content anymore? Does that mean a much larger majority of content is now AI? Does it even matter how much? How will graphs and their underlying data validity evolve in a world of AI?</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>With the average probably better than with humans, as the average human creator is not that interesting, but AI has some minimum standards.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Other relevant experience: Before tech, I got my MBA at Stanford and two MSc in engineering. I&#8217;ve studied scriptwriting, communication, and public speaking. I wrote a book on storytelling structure.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why Florence Started the Renaissance]]></title><description><![CDATA[A combination of geographic luck, network effects, and vagaries of history. Can we replicate them today?]]></description><link>https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-florence-started-the-renaissance</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-florence-started-the-renaissance</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomas Pueyo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2026 22:55:57 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ee6S!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab12a98b-5036-4914-b6d7-a6ce5aaac241_1240x830.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>One of my <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/mountains">most successful articles</a> now has a YouTube version. If you want to see why warm countries are poorer, go watch it!</em></p><div id="youtube2-zzcU_y6qxUY" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;zzcU_y6qxUY&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zzcU_y6qxUY?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p><em>Now today&#8217;s article, which I had a lot of fun writing, full of crazy facts. Enjoy!</em></p><div><hr></div><p>After 1300 years as the largest dome in the world, <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-roman-technology-drove-its-architecture">Rome&#8217;s Pantheon</a> was replaced by Florence&#8217;s dome in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Cathedral">Santa Maria del Fiore</a>. To this day, it remains the biggest masonry dome ever built.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> What?!</p><p>In a span of 100 years, the same city would birth an endless list of history-making figures: Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Brunelleschi, Botticelli, Raphael, the Medici, Machiavelli&#8230; What&#8217;s going on?!</p><p>What was in the water? I&#8217;d like to know, to brew it again. Florence or Silicon Valley can&#8217;t have been pure serendipity. How do we replicate them?</p><p>To answer that, the best place to start is a cathedral that had spent 100 years with a massive hole in the roof that nobody could plug, much before Lorenzo de Medici, Leonardo, or Michelangelo were born.</p><h1>Brunelleschi&#8217;s Duomo</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ee6S!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab12a98b-5036-4914-b6d7-a6ce5aaac241_1240x830.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ee6S!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab12a98b-5036-4914-b6d7-a6ce5aaac241_1240x830.png 424w, 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And he did it without the cement used for the Roman pantheon, as its recipe had been lost in time!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png" width="800" height="533" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:533,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fjTH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd78517c-56e2-4f2b-800e-b00d5497cb64_800x533.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The dome of the Roman pantheon was made of pozzolanic cement, a recipe that was lost for over 1000 years</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Even harder, since the rest of the cathedral was already built when he arrived, he couldn&#8217;t change the shape of its walls, reinforce them, buttress them, or anything like that. He had to work with what he had! And he did it without scaffolding! And he did it without ribs!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> This is crazy.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png" width="1600" height="1516" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1516,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qzpu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e77552f-1d65-4d50-94cc-99049e249d25_1600x1516.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Not only is this beautiful, but can you see ribs, lines of stone at the angles to support the structure? No! This is a continuous painting uninterrupted by ribs!</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The key challenge was to prevent the dome from falling. The first thing there was to adopt <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-western-religion-drove-its-architectural">the insight of Gothic architecture</a> that taller arches are stronger than circular ones. So the dome is not a hemisphere, it&#8217;s a bit more vertical.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png" width="1272" height="1364" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1364,&quot;width&quot;:1272,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-eE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa978dffe-76ec-4a74-abab-103d8b9d5584_1272x1364.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>I placed a semicircle there. Notice how the dome is taller than that. <a href="https://www.exploringart.co/brunelleschi-santa-maria-fiore-dome/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The second was to make it light by emptying it. The structural force is carried by the inner dome (red), and then there&#8217;s a space and an outer shell (green).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png" width="1472" height="1348" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1348,&quot;width&quot;:1472,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1tja!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06010929-6cc4-4f07-831b-ab81c9a8aa81_1472x1348.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>In green and red the two roofs. The dotted lines and arrows show the structure, how it was inspired in Gothic for the angle: Instead of having a single semicircle (drawn here in dotted lines), there are two semicircles (also in dotted lines), one for each side of the dome. The arrows show the distance between each semicircle and its center.</em> <em><a href="https://www.exploringart.co/brunelleschi-santa-maria-fiore-dome/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>You can see the space between the roofs here:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MBgj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5d3fa301-b389-43ed-8bed-64d9b6f5eaa6_1600x799.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MBgj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5d3fa301-b389-43ed-8bed-64d9b6f5eaa6_1600x799.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD3fJphus-o">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Even then, it would have fallen.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png" width="1024" height="1024" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uqdG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb9cb155-1a7d-4e2a-8436-35a9f591a5e9_1024x1024.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://resonanceswavesandfields.blogspot.com/2014/03/brunelleschis-dome-its-structure-and.html">Source</a>, cleaned up with nanobanana</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Brunelleschi needed a way to pull the top outward and push the bottom inward. He solved it with stone and wood rings around the dome!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png" width="800" height="751" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:751,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-bGB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdededc54-1edd-4db0-b801-54e7c88aae32_800x751.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>These rail-like structures are made of sandstone and wood, connected with iron. The craziness is that, to prevent the dome from bending, they convert the tension into compression, as the ring is compressed against itself by the dome&#8217;s pulling. I like to think of these rails as horizontal, infinite arches.</em> <em><a href="https://www.exploringart.co/brunelleschi-santa-maria-fiore-dome/">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The other thing Brunelleschi had to figure out was how to build this thing without a wooden scaffolding inside (it would have required too much wood!). He solved that by building the entire structure ring by ring, using <em>herringbone</em> bricks, crossing the bricks so that they would support each other.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iy6T!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F199228bd-cb35-4de3-9ad5-51a0b829ad89_1064x992.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iy6T!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F199228bd-cb35-4de3-9ad5-51a0b829ad89_1064x992.png 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iy6T!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F199228bd-cb35-4de3-9ad5-51a0b829ad89_1064x992.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iy6T!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F199228bd-cb35-4de3-9ad5-51a0b829ad89_1064x992.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iy6T!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F199228bd-cb35-4de3-9ad5-51a0b829ad89_1064x992.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>From <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD3fJphus-o">this</a>, cleaned up with nanobanana, although from the pics I&#8217;m not sure what this video depicts is the actual herringbone structure of the dome, since I can&#8217;t see how that would stand, it doesn&#8217;t correspond to the pic above (you can see the actual herringbone bricks on the earlier photo of the passageway between domes), nor to the Roman herringbone pic below. But I&#8217;m not sure. </em></figcaption></figure></div><p>OK hold on. What&#8217;s going on here? Why, after 1300 years, out of nowhere, is a goldsmith that doesn&#8217;t even have the materials necessary for replicating the Ancient Rome Pantheon able to build a <em>bigger one?!</em> That we&#8217;ve never replicated?!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png" width="508" height="846.3228426395939" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1641,&quot;width&quot;:985,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:508,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NikF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e84dc8f-ac87-4ba0-bfcc-425b9d4732f3_985x1641.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>How did you do it, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippo_Brunelleschi">Filippo</a>? Fun fact: He was originally a goldsmith, and he got <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_patent_law">one of the first patents</a> in the world, for a machine to hoist goods onto barges on Florence&#8217;s Arno River.</em></figcaption></figure></div><h1>Leonardo&#8217;s Roman Proportions</h1><p>Brunelleschi lived in Florence, a city with plenty of Ancient Rome ruins. I think it&#8217;s hard for us to understand what living among these vestiges of a better time felt like.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png" width="1200" height="708.75" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:945,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lnCY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F184c59c0-fc29-4205-907e-87ba0ddc61e4_1600x945.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Aqueduct in Ruins, Hubert Robert, 1700s. I saw a bunch of pictures like these I believe it was in Vienna&#8217;s Kunsthistorisches Museum, or in Munich&#8217;s Residenz. I can&#8217;t really find them. It&#8217;s a series of two-three dozens of paintings of life around Roman ruins, centuries after the fall of the Empire.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p><a href="https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/20/bratton.php">From</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrarch">Petrarch</a>, a Tuscan from the neighboring city of Arezzo<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> who visited Rome in the mid-1300s:</p><blockquote><p>[Rome is a] <em>broken city</em>, <em>the remnants of the ruins lay before our eyes</em>.<em> [</em>...]<em> Who can doubt that Rome would rise again instantly if she began to know herself?</em></p></blockquote><p>Every day, you&#8217;d be reminded that your civilization is inferior to the one that came before.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png" width="1200" height="951" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1268,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mV0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fd1e19c-e126-440d-85a7-7bce4d53eea0_1600x1268.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>A Hermit Praying in the Ruins of a Roman Temple, Hubert Robert, about 1760</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Brunelleschi, inspired by these ruins and by some people before him like Petrarch, who had visited Rome, decided to make a trip to Rome too. Ruins were everywhere. He spent two years there, studying its remaining architecture. He studied the Pantheon to replicate its dome in Florence, and got the idea for the herringbone bricks by observing brickwork there.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png" width="521" height="543.2227488151659" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1320,&quot;width&quot;:1266,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:521,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4J2B!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba5683cf-e312-4638-8447-a631a3bbd493_1266x1320.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Opus spicatum paving in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Market">Trajan's Market</a>, Rome.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>He didn&#8217;t go alone; he was accompanied by the famed sculptor, Donatello, who was inspired to sculpt a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_(Donatello,_bronze)">David</a>, the first freestanding nude male sculpture since antiquity. Together, they <a href="https://lithub.com/from-the-ruins-of-rome-to-the-invention-of-perspective/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">excavated</a> buried structures and measured monuments like the Pantheon, the Baths of Caracalla, Roman basilicas&#8230;</p><p>Around that same time, another Florentine, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poggio_Bracciolini">Bracciolini</a>, rediscovered<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitruvius">Vitruvius</a>&#8217;s <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_architectura">De Architectura</a></em>, the only architectural treatise that has survived from antiquity to this day.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png" width="587" height="798.2576361221779" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zGjZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F749469cf-8525-4280-8689-1fe4e1ac27a7_1506x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>The Vitruvian Man, drawn by Leonardo da Vinci. The idea was that there are ideal proportions, some of which we can see in the human body, and they give you a hint of the ideal proportions in other fields like architecture.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Other Florentines like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo">Michelangelo</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael">Raphael</a><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a>, and Leonardo da Vinci traveled to Rome to <s>form the ninja turtles squad</s> study it.</p><p>Between <em>De Architectura</em> and visits to Rome, architects and artists started noticing that Roman buildings used modular, proportional systems and strict rules of geometry: harmonious numerical ratios (1:1, 1:2, 2:3, etc.), room height related to width, temple column spacing based on column diameter&#8230; These ideas gave Renaissance architects something medieval builders lacked: a theoretical mathematical framework for beauty.</p><p>Brunelleschi came back from the trip with a firm idea of what the dome should look like, and all the other Florentine visitors came back with specific ideas of proportions and classical elements.</p><p>So why did the Renaissance happen in Florence? Well, it couldn't have happened much farther from Rome. Think of the experience of these Florentines, growing up among substantial Florentine ruins from the Ancient Roman Empire, and close enough to visit Rome and witness the massive beauty that had been lost. The farther you were from Rome, the fewer the ruins, the harder it was to get to Rome, and the less inspiration Rome would have provided.</p><p>This probably explains why the Renaissance had to happen close to Rome, but not specifically in Florence. Why not Siena, Pisa, Naples, Milan, or even Rome? Why then, and not 200 or 300 years earlier or later?</p><h1>Machiavellian City-States</h1><p>In the Dark Ages, as the Roman Empire fell and law and order withdrew, cities decayed and many disappeared. But not so in Italy. Cities like Milan, Florence, Verona, Bologna, Ravenna, Pisa, Venice, Genoa, and Siena remained populated. By the 11th century, they had merchant classes, bishops, courts, guilds, militias&#8230; They were already institutionally capable of governing themselves. This independence of communities happened everywhere in the former Roman Empire, but it was especially true in the Holy Roman Empire, modern-day Germany and Italy.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png" width="1600" height="896" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:896,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QpI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04f25750-bec7-4429-a758-ec88df3a9e5c_1600x896.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is Italy in 1500. Chaos!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RDX_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RDX_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RDX_!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png 848w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1600,&quot;width&quot;:1593,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RDX_!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RDX_!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RDX_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RDX_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3bd945-bd4b-4401-9bb7-c06a2a040b20_1593x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I explored why this happened in <em><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-were-germany-and-italy-the-last">Why Were Germany and Italy the Last European Countries to Unify?</a></em> The short answer is that Italy was the battleground between two dimensions of power: the temporal and the spiritual.</p><p>This was Europe around 1200 AD:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png" width="1600" height="1469" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1469,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZlSN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F987fe309-8468-4362-a99f-faf30dc5ce8b_1600x1469.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>For centuries since the creation of the Holy Roman Empire in the 10th Century, the Emperor and the Pope fought for power and influence, like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investiture_Controversy">who would appoint the powerful bishops</a>. Around 1200, the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II had just united the northern part from his father with the Kingdom of Sicily to the south from his mother. The Pope logically freaked out when he saw his Papal States surrounded, and stirred up revolts everywhere he could in Italy.</p><p>Crucially, Italy is separated from Germany by the mighty Alps, making it very hard for the Holy Roman Emperor (HRE) to have strong influence to the south.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png" width="1600" height="1245" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1245,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G3RS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a3bf64-98ea-4eff-b571-452803b94228_1600x1245.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And Italy is very mountainous, with lots of secluded valleys that birthed strong, independent cities. This meant that, in practice, local cities had been quite autonomous for a very long time, even if they were nominatively under the HRE.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png" width="1597" height="1600" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1600,&quot;width&quot;:1597,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w0S-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66cbd729-de7f-41de-ba33-66c460e61d60_1597x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So when the Pope stirred revolt all over Italy, different cities decided to support different sides. This is what&#8217;s called the war of the Guelphs and Ghibellines.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JjD2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e5fff95-2acf-4a0c-bbdb-15cef3ed999c_500x375.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JjD2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e5fff95-2acf-4a0c-bbdb-15cef3ed999c_500x375.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JjD2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e5fff95-2acf-4a0c-bbdb-15cef3ed999c_500x375.png 848w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Depiction of a 14th C. fight (1369?) between the militias of the Guelph and Ghibelline factions in the Italian commune of Bologna, from the Croniche of Giovanni Sercambi of Lucca.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Notably, the closer you were to one of these big powers, the less likely you were to support it, because it&#8217;s better to have a distant lord than a neighboring one. This created a patchwork of alliances and counteralliances, of wars and betrayals. Over the centuries, the power of the HRE dwindled in the region, and the emperor became just a distant influence.</p><p>This is the context in which the Florentine <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli">Machiavelli</a> thrives and writes his famous work <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince">The Prince</a> </em>in the early 1500s<em>.</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a></p><p>So all this is why the Northern Italian region had many independent city-states:</p><ul><li><p>The cities there remained inhabited since Roman times.</p></li><li><p>The area has many fertile valleys among mountains, allowing for many urban nuclei to sprout.</p></li><li><p>The region was separated from its rulers by the Alps, which meant little oversight.</p></li><li><p>This is at the border region between the HRE and the Papal States, so they became a proxy war battleground that exacerbated their differences and undermined the oversight of both on the region</p></li></ul><p>Independent states were crucial to explore new styles locally and to push for their own architectural styles to differentiate from other competing city-states. But this doesn&#8217;t tell us why they were so rich, and you needed a lot of money to build such huge cathedrals.</p><h1>Medici Wealth</h1><p>At the time, Italy&#8217;s population was rebounding from the Black Death faster than in many other European countries.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png" width="1600" height="1130" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1130,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QL7D!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F376a4c53-0d3f-4024-a183-6b3426f7b9f6_1600x1130.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And these people were rich! In the 1300s, Northern Italy was already the richest region in Europe.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png" width="616" height="798" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:798,&quot;width&quot;:616,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhYc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35e74bf6-abf2-4884-ba99-306d089d97de_616x798.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>GDP per capita estimates for 1300 AD. <a href="https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2402060121">Source</a>.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>One of the main reasons was urbanization. These were the main European cities in the early 1500s. Notice how many are in northern Italy!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AXP7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AXP7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AXP7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png 848w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1271,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AXP7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AXP7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AXP7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AXP7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F97a4666c-c01d-4d7c-b3d4-1280abfbf120_1600x1271.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/dn2y1e/european_urban_population_in_1530/">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>We already explained why: They were already quite populated in Roman times, and they have some of the best plains in the Mediterranean, especially in the Po Valley.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z7Dp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc60bb2cf-fdf5-4549-9904-8e85e2cddd9b_1600x1213.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>A big population that could grow fast and was already urban meant a bigger share of the population lived in cities.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3mPe!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feff333eb-3bf9-43b6-bc66-a68d4d3d3b18_1134x640.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3mPe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feff333eb-3bf9-43b6-bc66-a68d4d3d3b18_1134x640.png" width="1134" height="640" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/eff333eb-3bf9-43b6-bc66-a68d4d3d3b18_1134x640.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:640,&quot;width&quot;:1134,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" 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Jan de Vries (1984), European Urbanization 1500&#8211;1800. Paul Bairoch, Jean Batou, and Pierre Ch&#232;vre (1988), The Population of European Cities from 800 to 1850. Via ChatGPT.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Of course, cities are more productive than rural areas due to their network effects. They become marketplaces, develop industries, invest in infrastructure, build industrial clusters&#8230;</p><p>Northern Italy also had another huge benefit: It was in the middle of global trade networks.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!atfM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F124919f8-06d8-4688-a662-81f5b5006bb4_1600x1173.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!atfM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F124919f8-06d8-4688-a662-81f5b5006bb4_1600x1173.png 424w, 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This is why Venice and Genoa grew so rich as maritime trade republics.</p><p>And within Northern Italy, Florence was very well positioned.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I-oO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5091b1a-5465-4586-899f-592ede1e677c_1600x1143.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I-oO!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5091b1a-5465-4586-899f-592ede1e677c_1600x1143.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Roman roads are relevant because they were still in use, and also because they followed the most natural paths from one city to another, so the fact that Florence was on one of the best paths to cross the Apennines from Rome wouldn&#8217;t have changed by the Middle Ages.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>If you wanted to move between the HRE and Rome, the best path went through Florence, which is a natural crossroads because Florence and Bologna flank the Apennine mountains.</p><p>So Florence, like only a handful of other Italian cities, had a unique confluence of assets:</p><ul><li><p>It was in a populated region, because it has a good climate and great agricultural plains</p></li><li><p>This was in the richest region in the world, because it was at the crossroads connecting all the main kingdoms of the time</p></li><li><p>The region also contained many cities that had remained inhabited since Roman times, and Florence was one of the big, urbanized cities in the region</p></li><li><p>Situated between the two regional powers of the HRE and the Papal States, these cities had more independence than most</p></li><li><p>It was at a crossroads for internal Italian trade, making it uniquely rich as a marketplace</p></li><li><p>Close to Rome, to receive strong architectural influence from the Roman Empire</p></li></ul><p>Still, it could have been Siena, Bologna, Parma, maybe Genoa or Venice. And sure enough, all of them have beautiful architecture. But something set Florence apart.</p><p>Money.</p><h3>The Origins of Florentine Wealth</h3><p>The best way to know who ruled back then is to look at who funded the biggest monuments. So who funded the cathedral, Santa Maria del Fiore?</p><p>One tip is in the name: <em>Santa Maria</em> refers to Virgin Mary, and echoes the importance of religion. But <em>fiore?</em> These are flowers&#8212;like Firenze. This refers to the city: The cathedral was meant to represent both the church and the state. This was not a purely religious endeavor. In fact, it was anything but. It was the commune of Florence that financed it. And where did the money come from? The Wool Guild, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arte_della_Lana">Arte della Lana</a>.</em></p><p>By the 1200s, the wool trade had become one of the city&#8217;s largest industries, among other things precisely because Florence was such a big city:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a> Wool must be sheared, sorted, scoured, carded, drawn, spun, wound, warped, woven, fulled, sheared, pressed, dyed, sewn&#8230; There are many steps, but crucially, each step can be done by one single person or a few, with pretty basic machinery. So people across the city worked on different steps in their homes. The bigger the city, the more workers could be dedicated to each step, the more competition and learning between them, the more volume could be produced, and the bigger the industry. The bigger it is, the more it specializes, the better its products compared to the competition, the better the reputation, and you end up dominating a continent-wide market.</p><p>This industry became so big that local wool was not enough to feed it, so Florentines started buying wool abroad (in Spain, England, Flanders&#8230;), and finished it into high-quality cloth. They organized themselves into guilds, which helped them work together to promote the industry&#8217;s quality, its trade, its financing&#8230;</p><p>Financing! When you buy wool and sell cloth abroad, you need currency exchange. And when there are so many steps to the process, from so many workers, you must pay them a salary before you sell the cloth or garment, so you need a lot of working capital. So the Florentines <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilds_of_Florence">also developed</a> a very strong financial guild.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bjpe!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc3ab4fa-2dd8-47a1-bf0b-3b95dd04bc14_965x1355.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bjpe!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc3ab4fa-2dd8-47a1-bf0b-3b95dd04bc14_965x1355.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Some of the Florentine guilds</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The financial guild minted the gold florin, which soon became a currency used across Europe thanks to its distribution through wool commerce and banking, and to its reliability, as ensured by the guild.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Euh6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F09b609a2-f91d-4fec-a961-cedfa0a8cc29_500x247.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Euh6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F09b609a2-f91d-4fec-a961-cedfa0a8cc29_500x247.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Euh6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F09b609a2-f91d-4fec-a961-cedfa0a8cc29_500x247.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Euh6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F09b609a2-f91d-4fec-a961-cedfa0a8cc29_500x247.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Euh6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F09b609a2-f91d-4fec-a961-cedfa0a8cc29_500x247.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>This gave the Florentines <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-consequences-of-the-silver-flood">seigniorage</a> privileges</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>The power&#8212;and money&#8212;of the commune was concentrated in the hands of these guilds, and of course legislation favored them. Imagine what that did to the competition: Across most of Europe, industrialists, bankers, and merchants had to withstand the logic of Church and nobles. But Florence could do regulatory arbitrage, optimizing everything to support its trade; another advantage to pull forward.</p><p>Then the city had a lucky strike. Remember the Guelphs and Ghibellines? Florence supported the Guelphs (the pope), while its rival Siena supported the Ghibellines (HRE),<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a> and it turns out the pope won. Siena was stripped of its banking and tax collection monopolies, which <a href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Florence/History">went</a> to Florentine families. Notably, the Medici created a bank that grew strongly throughout that time, was on the right side of the war, and was given the management of the Papal Treasury. Their good relationship also gave them a monopoly of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_alum">alum</a> mining, a product crucial for dyes that could only be sourced in mines near Rome.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a> This is also the time when <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-consequences-of-the-silver-flood">silver started</a> <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-silver-flooded-the-world">flooding Europe</a>, so banking became extremely profitable. Eventually, the Medici would take over the politics of Florence and convert it into a duchy.</p><p>Florence used this newly-found power to strengthen its position across Tuscany and conquered its neighbors one by one. When it took over Pisa, it acquired a port. When it took over Siena, it eliminated its main rival.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5IwH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3ea222d-6c92-46ac-8dab-80e72b090002_1367x1139.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5IwH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3ea222d-6c92-46ac-8dab-80e72b090002_1367x1139.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5IwH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3ea222d-6c92-46ac-8dab-80e72b090002_1367x1139.png 848w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5IwH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3ea222d-6c92-46ac-8dab-80e72b090002_1367x1139.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5IwH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3ea222d-6c92-46ac-8dab-80e72b090002_1367x1139.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5IwH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3ea222d-6c92-46ac-8dab-80e72b090002_1367x1139.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So we can add a few factors to our reasoning of how Florence became the cradle of Renaissance:</p><ul><li><p>Thanks to its sizable population and perfect position at a crossroads within Northern Italy, Florence became wealthy in the pretty typical network effect of cities we&#8217;ve already seen elsewhere: first an industry developed (wool), which begat new industries (wool processing into cloth, finance). This made the city rich.</p></li><li><p>It was on the right side of a war, so it was showered with spoils, most notably lots of financial power and control over valuable commodities (alum was crucial for making colorful cloth).</p></li></ul><p>But why push for a new art style? And why this one?</p><h1>Florence Style</h1><p>Power was conveyed through architecture. The Arte della Lana guild wanted to show its power in the city, and to other cities. Remember, there are dozens of city-states in Northern Italy, the competition was brutal! They had to stand out, establish themselves as the most successful, so they could have status and gain more business. That&#8217;s why they invested in Santa Maria del Fiore. But that cathedral is not yet Renaissance! It starts as a mix of Gothic and local Tuscan style. So what is the Renaissance style, and why does it appear here?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png" width="1200" height="650.25" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:867,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:&quot;center&quot;,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-large" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DLFx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F912fb2c1-8dad-4273-ad25-26c510969ac0_1600x867.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Although the Milanese cathedral is called Duomo, it has no dome (duomo comes from domus, house, for house of God). Also, although it&#8217;s mainly a Gothic cathedral, it took six centuries to complete so it mixed many styles. The Duomo is taller than the fa&#231;ade of St Peter&#8217;s Basilica, although St Peter&#8217;s dome is taller. I couldn&#8217;t convey the height of both the fa&#231;ade and the dome because of the perspective (pictures taken at ground level), so I had to choose which one to convey, and I thought the fa&#231;ade was the right one.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p><a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-western-religion-drove-its-architectural">As we saw previously</a>, the impetus behind Gothic was to go as high as possible, to reach the heavens. This pushed the boundaries of architectural technology of the time: verticality, pointed arches, rib vaults, flying buttresses, detailed decoration for mysticism, and stained glass were the methods, and I think the goal was clearly achieved.</p><p>In the Renaissance, the idea was to go back to the wisdom of the more powerful ancient Roman Empire. Studying it, architects realized they followed some rules, and they decided to decode them and apply them. They decided that space should be graspable, measured, balanced, and ordered as a coherent whole. They did that by going back to columns, round arch, domes, volumes, horizontality, visual legibility, proportions, and a return to hard-coded classicism.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k1wL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa5fee56e-0603-49fc-b8d7-9c346bbf68aa_1600x897.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset image2-full-screen"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k1wL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa5fee56e-0603-49fc-b8d7-9c346bbf68aa_1600x897.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The love for proportion and precision could also be seen in small details like these:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gEg_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F19ca31ff-578d-4fd4-915b-98518e371180_1420x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gEg_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F19ca31ff-578d-4fd4-915b-98518e371180_1420x2048.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Fa&#231;ade of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_Novella">Santa Maria Novella</a>, Florence</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Lines, squares, circles, crosses, mathematical curves&#8230; These textures are beautiful.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iZMG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F988b813b-609e-4329-8f68-44a34fa19598_1600x1066.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iZMG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F988b813b-609e-4329-8f68-44a34fa19598_1600x1066.png" width="1600" height="1066" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/988b813b-609e-4329-8f68-44a34fa19598_1600x1066.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1066,&quot;width&quot;:1600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Detail of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_Novella">Santa Maria Novella</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Of course, Rome and the popes <em>loved</em> the new architectural style based on their own city, so they funded and promoted it. They realized that Rome was a pile of ruins, but if they could rebuild it and make it even more beautiful, their power would radiate across Christendom. This is why Vatican City&#8217;s St Peter&#8217;s Basilica is of the Renaissance style, for example, and why the Renaissance became huge in general.</p><h3>A Change in the Reason behind Architectural Innovation</h3><p>OK here&#8217;s my ignorant and probably unpopular opinion: Renaissance churches are beautiful but&#8230; underwhelming?</p><p>With Gothic, society had a clear goal: Convey their love of God by reaching upward and pushing the technological boundaries to make it happen.</p><p>The great thing that Renaissance does is rediscover domes, which are objectively awesome. It also recovered the pendentives (which were Eastern Roman, not from Rome&#8230;), and made proportions explicit. But does that mean you have to adopt all the other Roman stuff, too? Why go back to columns and rounded arches, when we&#8217;ve seen <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-western-religion-drove-its-architectural">they&#8217;re objectively inferior</a>, since they can only allow smaller spaces? Why go for horizontality, an architectural feeling that was already so pervasive in cities because houses were not tall? Why pretend an obsession with order that your predecessor didn&#8217;t have, when in fact Gothic architecture had a similar order that you just couldn&#8217;t read?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d6op!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fc8233-146b-4a7b-8eeb-73fe3f40c877_1600x604.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d6op!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fc8233-146b-4a7b-8eeb-73fe3f40c877_1600x604.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://geometriesofcreation.lib.uiowa.edu/architecture/the-renaissance-myth-of-gothic-license/">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>It feels like the Renaissance was trying too hard to define its path <em>in opposition to what came before.</em></p><p>&#8220;Gothic&#8221; litearlly means from the Goths&#8212;the Franks and the Germans on the other side of the Alps. That style was born in France and spread to Germany. It makes sense that Florence, <em>allied to <strong>Rome</strong> and against the <strong>German</strong> HRE</em>, would define itself in opposition to that by getting inspiration from ancient Roman architecture. Of course, a city that is managed by merchants wants to define itself in opposition to pure religious piety too. But when you define yourself by opposition to others, how strong are your values?</p><p><a href="https://paulgraham.com/brandage.html">It&#8217;s a bit like</a> how Swiss handwatches tried hard to become precise and thin, and once the Japanese figured out how to do that better, most Swiss watchmakers went bankrupt and the few that recovered (and soared) did so not because their watches were better (not more precise, nor thinner), but because their cost and elaborate shapes became symbols of status.</p><p>This is the first time in all the architectural styles we&#8217;ve observed that the innovations are not done to improve, but just to be different.</p><h3>Renaissance Outside of Churches</h3><p>Renaissance really shines outside of churches for me. Before, it seems like most architecture of beauty was concentrated into churches, but now it appears everywhere. Compare Florence&#8217;s <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Vecchio">Palazzo Vecchio</a>, built around 1300 just before the Renaissance, with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Medici_Riccardi">Medici-Riccardi</a>, built around 1450, during the explosion of Renaissance in Florence:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bLXU!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F116eb4a5-a8b2-4aea-b60c-7e1166ab8abd_1600x897.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bLXU!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F116eb4a5-a8b2-4aea-b60c-7e1166ab8abd_1600x897.png 424w, 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Still strong, but now the round arches with voussoirs on top make them taller and much more conspicuous. There are more, bigger windows,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a> external decorated marks for each floor, the roof overhang is now beautifully decorated, dimensions feel harmonious&#8230;</p><p>And I think this becomes even stronger when you have several houses following this style, even when some of them mix with other styles.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EAWB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57820104-f14f-4b93-9d0a-8e6f56fe0963_1600x1102.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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ground-breaking figure of accounting; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piero_della_Francesca">Piero della Francesca</a> emphasized the divine proportions; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci">Fibonacci</a><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-13" href="#footnote-13" target="_self">13</a> discovered the Fibonacci sequence and popularized Indian numerals; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei">Galileo</a> the astronomer defended heliocentrism against the church; Botticelli, Boccaccio, and the aforementioned Michelangelo, the Medici, Da Vinci, Petrarch, Donatello, Raphael, Brunelleschi&#8230;</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Made with nanobanana</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>And now we know what the Renaissance is, and why it started in Florence:</p><ul><li><p>Because of the mountainous terrain, the Alps, and the length of the Italian Peninsula, Northern Italy was distant from foreign centers of power, which gave them autonomy, especially given the contest between the HRE and the Church.</p></li><li><p>Northern Italy was rich because it was at the right spot in the Mediterranean, so it was the marketplace for Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.</p></li><li><p>It also has highly fertile valleys, so the population grew fast.</p></li><li><p>A big share of that population was urban, which means network effects, more industry, trade, and money.</p></li><li><p>Within this region, Florence was rich as a crossroads between Rome and Northern Italy. It developed a wool industry, and from there other industries, including finance.</p></li><li><p>It was close enough from Rome to get its patronage, but not too close to be absorbed by it.</p></li><li><p>It was lucky to be on the winning side of the war between the Church and the HRE, and got a massive boost when the Church won, with financial and mining monopolies.</p></li><li><p>It was close enough to Rome to gain inspiration from Ancient Rome and be able to study it.</p></li></ul><p>Once Florence had the money and the independence to go beyond the daily focus on war and survival, it could use the example of Rome to study it and replicate it. This meant massive investments in architecture, art, and all types of studies of Ancient Rome. This created a critical mass of thinkers who learned from each other, creating an explosion of knowledge across the disciplines.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-florence-started-the-renaissance?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-florence-started-the-renaissance?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><p>In many regards, this reminds me of what I witnessed in Silicon Valley in the nearly 15 years I spent there: an incredible concentration of intelligent, ambitious people, all focused on pushing the boundaries of one new technology&#8212;the Internet. It&#8217;s difficult to get these network effects set up. Can San Francisco survive its current downfall? Where will the next Florence emerge? What type of endeavor can justify the massive investments that are concentrated in one place, to attract geniuses from everywhere? Can Dubai do it, or does it not have enough of a mission? Shenzhen fits the definition. Is it limited to manufacturing, or will it bleed into other types of innovation? What do you think?</p><div><hr></div><p><em>This type of article takes blood and sweat, and they don&#8217;t leave me much more time to do other things. But I want to do even better ones! And more of them! Across more media! I hope you saw the video at the top. I want to do more of that too! But I can&#8217;t do this alone. So I am going to hire a team to help me research, write, and publish more articles, convert this content into videos, audio, and podcasts, translate them, make tools to make them interactive, and much more. But I can only do that if you help me pay for it. If you like articles like this one and you want to see more, I need you to fund it. </em></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>Please become a premium subscriber!</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>This claim sounded crazy to me, so I looked into it. The Florentine Duomo, built in 1436, apparently remained the biggest dome in the world for 450 years, until 1871, when it was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_domes">replaced</a> by the Royal Albert Hall dome. But all modern domes use steel somehow, either directly or as reinforced concrete. Brunelleschi&#8217;s Duomo in Florence doesn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s just masonry: a series of construction elements bound with mortar and working by compression.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Architectural ribs, not those in his body. More details <a href="https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/how-western-religion-drove-its-architectural">here</a>.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Arezzo was absorbed into Florence soon after, in the 1380s.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Apparently it was already in circulation, and the original architect of Santa Maria del Fiore was inspired by it, but this rediscovery made its knowledge widespread.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>The 3<sup>rd</sup> and 4<sup>th</sup> turtles. You didn&#8217;t think I had forgotten, did you? Although born in Urbino, Raphael became deeply connected with Florentine artistic circles before moving to Rome. Michelangelo was born in the Florentine village of Caprese.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>There&#8217;s a <a href="https://www.250bpm.com/p/ada-palmer-inventing-the-renaissance">fantastic write-up</a> from Martin Sustrik about Ada Palmer&#8217;s class on Italian politics of the time. The gist of it is that this class puts the students in the skin of different characters, and they role-play the history, which is the closest thing we have to having randomized controlled tests in history, and what it finds is that some outcomes always happen, but some others change, and the details are always different. This is strong support for the theory that big parts of history are predetermined.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>With Western countries like Castile, Portugal, Aragon, France, and England emerging. Flanders was part of the Holy Roman Empire and/or France depending on the moment. It&#8217;s in the area where France, the HRE, and the Hanseatic League overlap. I mean the HRE &#8220;in general&#8221; as it controlled Flanders, and many parts of HRE were rich, but not all.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>I think the wool trade has not received the attention it deserves. It accounted for a massive share of GDP&#8212;I believe it was the second biggest industry after food. I hope to tackle it some day. If you know good sources, LMK.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Siena was closer to Rome than Florence, so it felt the Papal power more strongly. It made sense for it to oppose Rome, in hopes of the distant HRE suppressing Rome, which would have given Siena more autonomy.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Alum is a mordant, meaning it creates a chemical &#8220;bridge&#8221; between dye molecules and the fibre. There were no alum mines in Europe; it was all provided by the Ottomans in the 1400s, until an alum mine was discovered near Rome, in the Papal States. The Popes gave their mining rights to the Medici.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>It had to be though because it wasn&#8217;t safe at the time.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>Notice we&#8217;re still not very secure, as the windows had ironwork to fend off criminals.</em></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-13" href="#footnote-anchor-13" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">13</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><em>From neighboring Pisa, which became part of Florence-controlled Tuscany.</em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>