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Isaac T.'s avatar

Tomas, thanks for looking at this topic. Over the last few years I've come to admire you as one of the Great Explainers of our time. Please keep up the good work!

Since your piece looks back to ~1700 AD via data (and to ~10,000 BC via logic) I'm curious for your thoughts on first principles explored here by Tom Murphy at UCSD:

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist/

He makes the point the continued acceleration of generation of waste *heat* during each step along even your idealized energy value chain (eg "transform [energy], store it, and transport it, in a way that is as easy, cheap, and clean as possible") is incompatible with continued life-as-we-know-it on Earth. So in your section 2 when we think about Requirements for energy revolution etc, let's take a step back and include, predicates or ELI5 goals we can explain to our kids, like: we want this planet to be inhabitable by mammals.

And I don't mean million of years into the future. Rather, if Murphy is correct then we should be solutioneering more urgently, and over forward-looking timeframes only as long as your essay looks backwards. Perhaps 100,000 days is a useful/actionable planning window?

For reference, ~1749 is approx 100k days ago; and 100k days from now is approx 2297 AD.

Per Murphy:

"[T]he Earth has only one mechanism for releasing heat to space, and that’s via (infrared) radiation. We understand the phenomenon perfectly well, and can predict the surface temperature of the planet as a function of how much energy the human race produces. The upshot is that at a 2.3% growth rate (conveniently chosen to represent a 10× increase every century), we would reach boiling temperature in about 400 years."

"At that 2.3% growth rate, we would be using energy at a rate corresponding to the total solar input striking Earth in a little over 400 years. We would consume something comparable to the entire sun in 1400 years from now. By 2500 years, we would use energy at the rate of the entire Milky Way galaxy—100 billion stars! I think you can see the absurdity of continued energy growth. 2500 years is not that long, from a historical perspective."

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/tom-murphy-profile/

Thoughts?

Assuming we don't want to (be forced to attempt to impossibly) inhabit the surface of *any* planet that's at boiling temperature; and that per Murphy the surface of *this* planet will reach boiling temperature in only 400 years, if the rate of growth of our energy usage continues into near-future centuries at rates similar to recent history ; then, it may be reasonable to think differently about energy, climate, econ and even national security requirements. It may also be helpful not to abstract these "macro" issues into Gordian Knots that feel remote, unsolvable, un-addressable etc... irrelevant to us, as individuals.

Rather, it may be helpful to look at these multi-century trends and first-principles through the lens of something much closer to home: our families.

Circling back on 100k days mentioned above: this is roughly 9-10 human generations, assuming ~30 year reproductive cycles which is accurate enough to illustrate the point that institutions and incentives persist that long. Another way to think about ~100k days or 9-10 generations, if we mentally locate ourselves in the middle of that period... generally speaking, most of us know our grandparents. By extension, we will know our grandchildren. Thus, each of us spans ~5 generations of lineal family relationships. This is easy to get our heads around. Double that.

~100k days is "only" the span between our grandparents' grandparents to our grandchildrens' grandchildren.

We've inherited systems, incentives and expectations about growth from our grandparents' grandparents, which we in our own generation will need to reform (or abandon entirely) before bequeathing to our grandchildren's grandchildren. In this context it doesn't matter when we invent and benefit from breakthru cleantech, green electrification, fusion etc. If the waste heat generated by our consumption cannot be radiated off the planet, the Future Energy Revolution is a pyrrhic victory.

Else, per Dr. Murphy:

"[A]t a 2.3% growth rate (conveniently chosen to represent a 10× increase every century), we would reach boiling temperature in about 400 years. [T]his statement is independent of technology. Even if we don’t have a name for the energy source yet, as long as it obeys thermodynamics, we cook ourselves with perpetual energy increase."

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Luca Frediani's avatar

About ramping nuclear up and down: this is not really the case. It can be ramped up and down from 10 to 100% and back in a rather limited timeframe (hours) compatible with the daily variations.

See e.g. this https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306261918303180#bi005 and cited references

Claims up to 5%/minute (90% in less than 20min) is possible. And 0.5%/minute rutinely employed (30%/hour).

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