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Oz Har Adir's avatar

So many issues here:

1. You don't even consider the Chinese self driving operators such as Baidu who is testing with ±400 vehicles. They seem behind Waymo but not entirely out of the calculus, same may be true for Yandex.

2. You take Musk's promises seriously. His track record, Tesla's cult culture, the fact they have not test driven autonomous miles at any scale and so many other 'small issues' should make one very careful believing that the structural problems in Tesla (no LIDAR, the plan to roll out FSD without careful training, culture of risk taking and poor safety record and much more) would somehow be wished away into a globally scaled operation.

3. You take calculations from ARK invest seriously... Hard to know where to begin here but they are the most unserious 'investment fund' I have ever seen and none of their models stands external reviews well.

4. For Waymo, there is no dependency on Uber at almost any point beyond the launch periods and there is a reason they do not need Uber in San Francisco where they now have large enough user base. The opposite is not true as most car rides are done in a single local and if Waymo is cheaper, has better car experience and is available - why would a user not prefer it? In November I rode both in PHX & LA and my preference for Waymo was very strong, not to mention it was half priced when compared with like for like cars (Waymos are a premium Uber flavour).

5. There is also no dependency on car manufacturers - in Europe in 2025 YTD 600! different EV cars have been sold: https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/ALL/Brands/Year/2025

I find it hard to find any reason why any of these manufacturers has any particular hold or agenda over AV, now that Waymo proved its a setup that can be fitted to their cars. These companies have over capacity (not only in China) and would do a lot to satisfy a client like Waymo who looks like the future.

I am quite surprised by this analysis quality, I much appreciate most of your posts but this one is not well enough thought through (and AVs are the future, but it would be Waymo's model and others like it delivering it in the next years - I doubt Tesla would even be a player).

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Ray Irving's avatar

The logic for replacing current driven rides seems reasonable. However, thereafter - especially in crowded non US cities - the possibility of replacing mass transit is going to be limited by road capacity. There is simply no room on the road to move thousands of passengers off mass transit and into self driving cars, even if they are smaller and faster than current human driven cars. Traffic will always grow to fill the roads available and that will happen long before they can out compete mass transit in cities.

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