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Michael Magoon's avatar

Excellent article.

Even many historians neglect the powerful influence that the Central Asian herding societies had on the development of Eurasian agrarian societies. Their existential military threat forced Russia, China and others to grow big and centralized.

https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/herding-societies

One point that I would add is that the highly productive soil of modern-day Ukraine and southern Russia could not be plowed before the invention of the steel plow. This made dense populations centers almost impossible to evolve in the Temperate Forest biome. This gave the Herding societies free rein over the region. The invention of the steel plow opened up some of the world’s most productive agricultural regions, including the American Great Plains, the Russian/Ukranian steppe, and the Argentine Pampas.

https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/biomes-have-profoundly-shaped-human

I would also add that the rapid development of firearms and cannon tipped the military balance between Russia and the horse archers of the steppe.

Girno's avatar
5dEdited

It lost me at "Russian kingdom was based in Kiev". That's just some pseudo historical anti Ukranian propaganda. Also the fact that Muscovite princes grew thanks to cooperation with the Mongols and increased trade with them across Volga certainly makes me question this theory. Also this article throws around anachronisms like "Early russia", which wasn't really a thing like ancient China or India was. Russian identity is a relatively recent construct from early modern Muscovite myths.

Michael Magoon's avatar

Nope.

It is a clear historical fact that Kievan Rus had an important influence of what later became Russia. Just as it is a clear historical fact that Kievan Rus had an important influence of what much later became Ukraine.

All European national identities are relatively recent constructs, not just Russia's.

This article obviously has nothing to do with "pseudo historical anti Ukranian propaganda." You are just trying to change the subject, and start a fight about the Ukrainian war.

Girno's avatar
5dEdited

Dissapointing to see you backing politicized narratives. Don’t expect “putin’s speeches” to become a topic at academia.

Michael Magoon's avatar

LOL

You have no idea what you are talking about. I have despised Putin and his regime for well over 20 years. Long before it was popular in the West.

Rewriting history does nothing to undermine his rule. And this article has nothing to do with "putin's speeches" or "politicized narratives"

Girno's avatar
5dEdited

The whole "russian kingdom in kiev" is directly from Putin's speech. Russians were rewriting history long before the war, and they are now using it as one of excuses. No russians were running around in 9th century, Rus' in Kyiv is a different entity. I'd recommend T. Snyder's lectures on history of Ukraine where he dissects russian claims.

Also, it is well documented that Muscovite princes were cooperating closely with the Horde against other principalities, even continuing to formally submitting to the Khan after Horde's decline. Moscow became powerful first and foremost within the Horde's sphere. There's no correlation with China's centuries of warfare with nomads, or even Ukranian struggles with them since medieval times.

Ed Schifman's avatar

A comprehensive overview of why Moscow ended up as the capital. Great explanation of the details that finally come together to allow me to make sense of it.

The Mongols, who created the greatest land mass of territory EVER on earth, were able to conquer not just the Kievan Rus and other major Rus tribes, but also a substantial portion of current day China. It is interesting (perhaps sad) how they have been marginalized in current day Russia.

Power is fleeting. There is never a guarantee that the future will be anything we recognize.

Excellent work, Tomas! Thank you!

Richard's avatar

Why sad? The Mongols were always small in numbers compared to the agrarian Slavs and Chinese. They couldn't have held on to their empire forever, and I don't see any particular reason to lament their passing.

Girno's avatar
5dEdited

Sorry but that’s just nonsense. Kyivan Rus isn’t russia, and Muscovite state only emerged aftet Mongol conquest of the region.

Kirill's avatar

A very interesting article! I always like your geographic insights. A couple of very important things are missing though:

1. St Petersburg has actually been a capital for 215 years since its foundation in 1703 and only ceased to be the one in 1918 after the Soviets took over and moved the capital back to Moscow.

2. Moscow rose to power and managed to unite most of European Russia under the Golden Horde rule (the Mongol Yoke), which can be explained through political means but cannot through geographical. Also Mongols are responsible for the wane of Kiev as a power center. Although I agree that post-1480 geography definitely helped Moscow to remain strong and resist the invasions from nomads

Gil's avatar

Accurate! First-Gen Golden Horde realpolitik saw Novgorod-Nevsky and Horde alliance, and the Nevsky lineage became grand princes and de-facto rulers eventually ruling out of Moscow, which went from centralized tax collection hub to a political base. This also shifted the entire Rus center of gravity from Kyiv to Moscow.

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

1. Correct!

2. Yes and no!

Will detail both in next week's premium article

Susan's avatar

An interesting detail from Snyder: the name of the Kievan Rus leader Waldemar has evolved into the Ukrainian Volodymyr (as in Zelenskyy) and to the Russian Vladimir (as in Putin)!

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

Ha! Interesting!

Jonathan Tweet's avatar

Great article. I have long wondered why Moscow is so isolated, and now I see that isolation is a feature, not a bug (or was, at any rate).

I twitched a little at sables being "squirrel-like". Sables are vicious little killers, more like weasels.

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

Thanks for letting me know! I have never met them!

Jonathan Tweet's avatar

You’re welcome. They’re pretty similar to the earliest carnivores, which were also vicious little tree-climbing killers.

Susan's avatar

I really enjoy your geography articles!!!

Relative to the Kievan Rus, you might want to read that section in Serhii Plokhy’s book THE GATES OF EUROPE: A History of Ukraine, Serhy Yekelchyk’s BIRTH OF A MODERN NATION pp. 18-25. Also go to THINKING ABOUT, the Substack page of Timothy Snyder. You’ll have to scroll down quite a bit to get to the 1st lecture of his free Yale University course on the History of Ukraine (also available on YouTube). I’m doing the class, readings included, and it is very worthwhile. Even just listening to the classes is interesting. Both of these books are on Snyder's reading list. Plokhy’s is the basic text and it is excellent.

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

Thanks! Any short summary of the interesting insights?

Susan's avatar

Basically they all stress the Scandinavian roots of the Kievan Rus, who were mostly from what is now Sweden. They traded and explored the river systems to the east and south as far as Kiev. More on this can be found in the book THE RIVER KINGS: A New History of the Vikings from Scandinavia to the Silk Roads by Cat Jarman, a bioarchaeologist.

These are in contrast to books on Russian history (and Russian leaders) that look on the Kievan Rus as the foundation of Russia. Ukrainians consider this the founding of their state. Both the books in my previous comment were written by Ukrainians.

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

Ah yes I agree!

But didn't Putin talk about Rurik as the founder of Rus? Rurik was clearly Varangian.

Also Russian doesn't come from there does it? I wonder how that came to be. The Varangian Princes just adopted the local language?

I also thought the very blond, blue-eyed ppl came from the Urals?

Rock_M's avatar

On the island of Gotland, in the Baltic, there a large number of silver hoards, profits from the trade by Scandinavians in what is now Russia. These hoards are full of silver coins from the Islamic Caliphate. You don’t earn that kind of money selling furs to people in a hot climate. It’s from slave raiding of Europeans (called ‘sclavi’ in Greek) into the Muslim world. Kiev is where it is because it is a point on the Dnepr where Slavic captives raided from the region could be transferred for the river voyage to intermediaries on the Black Sea, a place where commodities could be exchanged and taxes collected. The princely families of that region were of Scandinavian paternal ancestry by generations of slave concubines - ‘Rus’ is a Scandinavian word. This aristocratic family connection persisted up to the Russian Revolution. Pretty interesting how geography is at the foundation of so many things!

Susan's avatar

Bioarchaeology’s use of isotopes makes it possible to know exactly where and when an individual lived and if the person was related to others or not. Paleontologists using the isotopes in a cross section of a mammoth’s tusk have traced its movements in Alaska from its neonatal stage till it’s death. As for the language doubts, the Scandinavian and Russian languages belong to the Indo-European family and are related although from different branches. Laura Spinney has just published (2025) PROTO: How One Ancient Language Went Global. The introduction alone is worth the price of the book! Linguists believe that Proto Indo-European developed in the area north of the Black Sea and spread eastward and westward. All the European languages (except Finnish, Hungarian, and Basque) belong to the Indo-European languages.

aj's avatar

Hi Susan, just a quick note re: "All the European languages (except Finnish, Hungarian, and Basque) belong to the Indo-European languages."

Please don't forget to include Estonian among the non-Indo-European exceptions. Estonian, Finnish and Hungarian (though not Basque) belong to the Finno-Ugric family of languages.

Susan's avatar

Thank you for your correction.

Alex's avatar

Thank you for such an interesting sight on the history of my former homeland. Tend to agree with all points, moreover as a former Siberian habitant I may allege that these past relationships in therms: metropoly - colonies are still exist and flourish. This is a really complicated and painful topic for Siberia (but not only, almost everywhere in Russia except Moscow you may find same thoughts and concerns that all of us are actually living in a colonies).

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

Can you expand on that? How is it still a colony?

Alex's avatar

Sure

1) Political centralisation. Almost every decision is going from the center. Almost all governors are designated from Moscow, not elected (with exception of a few regions like Tatarstan). Same for city managers.

2) Finance flows. There is an interesting situation when most of the regions look like loss making and used to live on subsidies from the center. But this is an artificial construction to establish more political control. Almost all valuable taxes like VAT, excise taxes, etc. are transferred to the federal budget with a control center in Moscow. All that you may get as a region is personal income taxes and company income taxes (but the vast majority of big companies have registration in Moscow).

3) Language and local culture. You may study your local language in school on a voluntary basis if you live in the national republic but no one takes it seriously. Same for the local culture. It exists but rather like a bright trinket than as a part of national identity (again with few exceptions). Everything is flattened, every possible influence or counteract from locals is oppressed (one of the examples - https://ovd.info/en/baymak and back to the point 1 with no possibility to select a governor who could be a voice of a region).

4) The police apparatus, the omnipotence of the special services. As an example there are some facts (sorry for next two links in russian, there are no translation for that) when you may be imprisoned or fined (https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/01/11/izdanie-iz-komi-nazvanie-karelii-na-karelskom-iazyke-i-shutochnyi-flag-sibiri) for using some non-serious symbols like united siberia flag ( https://siberian-archive.ru/united_states_of_siberia/ ). This is a part of general oppression trend in the country but it could brightly illustrate some fears and approaches.

5) Life quality. Difference in life quality, salaries, social protection, infrastructure (for example just have a look and compare Moscow metro with other cities to see the difference). From one point of view it could be a popular picture in the world but for inner observer contrast is too bright. There is a popular joke in the regions that Moscow is actually is another state.

It may be a really long list.

Richard's avatar

Yep, Kamil Galeev writes extremely well about Russia. Honestly, everything covered by Tomas was covered by Kamil Galeev.

Da BLeaT's avatar

Just jumping in here to say that I've heard a lot about "Russian Decolonisation", which I find interesting and fascinating (and almost necessary). Love to hear this from this side of the approach. Just thinking, it would have been interesting if Chechnya had been able to win the second war...

Alex's avatar

Flipside of that could be something the same as it was in Jugoslavia. With one difference: almost every big region has nuclear bases. Not sure that this is the way.

P.S. Love your nickname)

Tuskalin's avatar

As always, thank you for this great article, Tomas!

Two questions:

1) Are you sure that the reason Novgorod and Saint Petersburg would be more unable to sustain a large population from farming than Moscow is their more northerly location? Climate-wise there doesn't seem to be a large difference (they are actually milder in winter and similar in summer). Maybe you were hinting more at daylight hours?

2) Why the far east was conquered by Russia and not China, which was closer?

Thanks as usual!

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

You are correct! I'm going to cover both questions in the premium article this week!

Tuskalin's avatar

Great, can't wait to read it! By the way, I hope you'll write something about the Balkans soon: I have to be in Athens for a conference in a couple of weeks and I have decided to take the time and drive all the way there from Italy!

Russ S. Chien's avatar

Great questions, and I'll try to answer the 2nd one! To put it simply—leaving aside the Mongol-led Yuan Dynasty—ancient China was generally uninterested in Mongolia and Siberia prior to 1644, when the Manchus crossed the Great Wall and established China's last imperial dynasty. The Great Wall itself is proof of this: for a long time, the deeply ingrained cultural mindset was that anything beyond the Wall was simply not "China."

It was only when the Manchus incorporated the territories north of the Wall into the empire—from their homeland in Manchuria in the east, across all of Mongolia, to Uyghur Xinjiang in the west—that these northern regions entered the Chinese geopolitical radar, especially as Russia began pushing south and east. In a way, among these three regions brought in by the Manchus, a large chunk of eastern Manchuria (the Russian Far East) was annexed by Russia, parts of western Xinjiang were lost, and Mongolia in the middle was split off into what it is today.

But anyway, even after all that, as you can see, it was still very far from Siberia proper. So while I can't speak for the future, looking at it historically, I can give you a resounding "no"—China was never interested in Siberia.

Susan's avatar

China went through a long period of isolation beginning with the Ming Dynasty, then came the Opium Wars.

Gale Pooley's avatar

Great article. Please address “Why does Mongolia exist?”

Joseph Hex's avatar

Fascinating, thank you. 3% is incredible - If that were to happen today in the USA, that'd be 9-10 million people.

Tomas Pueyo's avatar

It's is utterly crazy

Richard's avatar

Welcome to pre-modern agrarian life close to the steppes (raiding nomads).

Chasing Oliver's avatar

The Caspian Sea is salty. It's much more salty than lakes like Lake Victoria and the Great Lakes in North America. Therefore it is a sea. I will die on this hill.

Anna Kim's avatar

Moscow ended up as a capital as the result of smart diplomacy and alliances long before the stand on the Ugra River. Novgorod was never a serious contestant. Tver was. Tver was initially better positioned than Moscow but lost favor of Mongols due to certain events. In 1331, Ivan Kalita from Moscow received yarlik to reign as the Grand Prince of Vladimir from Uzbek Khan, which means that he became the ruler of all the Rus as far as the Mongols were concerned. This is the beginning of Moscow's dominance over other principalities.

Simon M's avatar

All those words and not a single reference. Anyone really interested in history as opposed to unsubstantiated musings is wasting their time here.

Stephanie A's avatar

Thank you. The maps are very enlightening. I have been thinking about Siberia a lot lately and trying to understand the distribution of forest vs tundra. Also looking a lot at Google Street view in Siberia and the border with China and Mongolia. The cities there make even the worst cities in the US look like palaces

Lance Turner's avatar

Founders were clever folk when deciding on a settlement. Thanks for the detailed article, Tomas. The sable trade made me think of the film Gorky Park (1981) with William Hurt. That's about an American who has a fur trading business and buys from the Russians, but he gets a little greedy and wants to smuggle out live sable and start his own farm.